Rasmussen Poll- 34% of Americans feel Civil War likely within 5 years

[Esq.]

I have been in building in New Orleans built in the early 20th century and seen floor tile with a swastika pattern.

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-histor...astika-1778288

https://www.howderfamily.com/blog/sw...-architecture/

There are Swastiskas all over the Pyramids in Egypt, it's an ancient symbol.

[Tx_Aggie]

"If we do not believe in freedom of speech for those we most despise, we do not believe in freedom of speech at all"

Noam Chomsky


Yea, that Noam Chomsky, absolute Paragon of LEFTIST thought- prior to the age of the Red Guards anyway..........seems as though the Left has forgotten their core values. It's free speech to burn draft cards, it's free speech to burn a flag, Piss Jesus is free speech, it's free speech to beat people in the streets, it's free speech to tear down statues, it's free speech to burn a police department to the ground.

So HELL YES, Nazi Armbands are FREE SPEECH. This isn't about Nazis, it's about a concept of American Liberty that the Left is increasingly intolerant and hypocritical about. I support "Hate Speech" in all it's forms.

The Chomsky quote is ironic, considering some of the other things he's said over the years, but in that particular instance he's not wrong.

You have a right to wear any offensive symbol you'd like, but my belief in freedom of speech does not obligate me to accept, apologize for, or defend what that particular symbol stands for.

It is reprehensible, not illegal, to display Nazi memorabilia, Nazi symbols, Etc. The fact that the symbols have a certain effect on people does not justify assaulting someone for displaying them. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of speech we like.

It is far more appropriate for everyone she knows, family, friends, community, etc. to shun her for such abhorrent behavior, not assault her.

Andy

Agreed.

An important facet of free speech is that it allows bad ideas to be defeated in the light of day, instead of relegating them to the shadows where they can grow without proper condemnation. Defending the right to express an opinion isn't the same as minimizing how abhorrent a particular idea or opinion might be.

And conversely, attempting to downplay a truly evil idea isn't the same as defending freedom of speech.

I'm not defending the mob attacking someone for wearing a swastika.

But just because the mob attacked that woman, it doesn't automatically make her a champion of free speech for wearing the arm band. Last I checked, most people who advocate or sympathize with national socialism aren't exactly big fans of free speech themselves.

Anybody assaulting or justifying others’ assaulting somebody for their displaying of a swastika (which pre-dates the National Socialist Party in Germany) as a means to protest these draconian mask mandates, or for any other reason, is a straight up fascist and doesn’t understand or subscribe to freedom. PERIOD.


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Yep, that mob was wrong for attacking that woman, And Antifa behave like a group of totalitarian political thugs, because that's what they are. No argument with that.

I have been in building in New Orleans built in the early 20th century and seen floor tile with a swastika pattern.

https://www.thoughtco.com/the-histor...astika-1778288

https://www.howderfamily.com/blog/sw...-architecture/

None of that is a revelation. Are you suggesting that someone wearing a reproduction Nazi arm band might not understand its implied meaning? That they don't understand most people will take it as a political statement in support of that meaning? I find that hard to believe.

At the very least she was trolling a group of people she knew would most likely react violently.

[Esq.]

The Chomsky quote is ironic, considering some of the other things he's said over the years, but in that particular instance he's not wrong.

You have a right to wear any offensive symbol you'd like, but my belief in freedom of speech does not obligate me to accept, apologize for, or defend what that particular symbol stands for.

For me, it all goes back to Alynskis Rules for Radicals. Make the "other guy" live up to HIS OWN RULES. The Left CANNOT detach themselves entirely from their over the top and decades long defense of "Free Speech". It creates a rift in them, the older generation actually STILL BELIEVES in free speech, hate speech and all...The new Red Guards will burn books, shout people down, beat them etc.....Any fractures we can create in them is a good thing.

[hextall]

I wish we would have a civil war it would be better than what's coming. Even if Trump gets re elected and by some chance we take back the house and keep the Senate, what good will it do? Are we going to have another Paul Ryan or Worse Speaker Crybaby? with a mix of conservatives vs the never Trumper GOP?
The Judicial system is a ****ing joke as we saw the Supremes go overboard for the LGBTQ alphabet crowd and give the shaft to the second amendment. What I see is maybe at best is balkanization and a breakup of the United States the way Yugoslavia did. And to me that's even better than where we are heading which is full on communism.

Preach on Reverend Preach!!

If democraps get THEIR way, it'll be in 5 months.

I wouldn't be too worried about the democRATS, they'll be swinging their purses and dildos wailing about how tough they are, until real AMERICANS show up and start stacking bodies!

[glocktogo]

I am not super up to date on the issue, but I have heard that some people are wearing Nazi armbands with their masks as a form of protests against the corona/mask ridiculousness.
So as usual, this is probably nowhere as simple as it seems.

AND further... even if she did have it on for shits and giggles or whatever... who cares?
What gives the mob the right to decide what people can say or do?
The lunatics are literally marching in packs, hammer/sickles on full display openly advocating for communism and assaulting people on the daily in the name of their 'cause'... and there's a problem with ONE random person wearing something that gets people's panties twisted? Yet people don't feel the same angst when they see a commie flag.
If anyone finds themselves in that sort of mindset, they're probably part of the problem.

Oh I'm all for free speech. If you want to rock an Nazi armband with your Covid mask, rock on! If you want to support people who do so, samesies. Just don't be shocked when most of us roll our eyes and walk away. Everyone has an equal right to play stupid games and win stupid prizes. Me? I'll be over here in my corner, rocking my casual, nondescript, unadorned low-vis t-shirt and cargo pants, saying nothing at all to anyone. Don't want nothing, don't need nothing, but I've have plenty to give if the need arises.

[Grand58742]

When talk of conservative revolutions starts going public instead of "safely" online, folks in higher places should start taking notice...

https://www.nationalistreview.net/20...-of-uprisings/

[gaijin]

^^This approach’s perfection.

[glocktogo]

When talk of conservative revolutions starts going public instead of "safely" online, folks in higher places should start taking notice...

https://www.nationalistreview.net/20...-of-uprisings/

If/when it happens, they're going to stand in front of the cameras and with a straight face, bald faced lie that they didn't know what it was coming to.

[Esq.]

Oh I'm all for free speech. If you want to rock an Nazi armband with your Covid mask, rock on! If you want to support people who do so, samesies. Just don't be shocked when most of us roll our eyes and walk away. Everyone has an equal right to play stupid games and win stupid prizes. Me? I'll be over here in my corner, rocking my casual, nondescript, unadorned low-vis t-shirt and cargo pants, saying nothing at all to anyone. Don't want nothing, don't need nothing, but I've have plenty to give if the need arises.

I'm going to pick on you a little, understand it's not meant in a serious way, not personal, but only to advance the discussion- but your post is somewhat problematic, you don't get to just "hang out" anymore.

It was Trotsky that said, "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.” ....That's who these people fundamentally are.

Everybody just wants to be left alone to do their own little things. That is how we allowed ourselves to get where we are, we let them "run the table" while we "did our thing". You don't get to "opt out" on this anymore because THEY won't let you. The changes we are seeing in this country will affect EVERYONE in every little pissant town and village. You think the Kulaks of Ukraine thought the goings on in distant St. Petersburg were going to end up with them starving to death or in Gulag labor camps? And yet it did.

There is no "grey man" grey enough to escape what is coming. Your membership on this site ASSURES that fact by itself.

So, while you don't need to light your hair on fire and join the most howling mad mob you can find....You better pick a side and find some serious friends, you'll need them. As Reagan said, "It's time for choosing".

[glocktogo]

I'm going to pick on you a little, understand it's not meant in a serious way, not personal, but only to advance the discussion- but your post is somewhat problematic, you don't get to just "hang out" anymore.

It was Trotsky that said, "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.” ....That's who these people fundamentally are.

Everybody just wants to be left alone to do their own little things. That is how we allowed ourselves to get where we are, we let them "run the table" while we "did our thing". You don't get to "opt out" on this anymore because THEY won't let you. The changes we are seeing in this country will affect EVERYONE in every little pissant town and village. You think the Kulaks of Ukraine thought the goings on in distant St. Petersburg were going to end up with them starving to death or in Gulag labor camps? And yet it did.

There is no "grey man" grey enough to escape what is coming. Your membership on this site ASSURES that fact by itself.

So, while you don't need to light your hair on fire and join the most howling mad mob you can find....You better pick a side and find some serious friends, you'll need them. As Reagan said, "It's time for choosing".

Already chosen. They won't like what they get when they finally get around to us.