Rasmussen Poll- 34% of Americans feel Civil War likely within 5 years

[Diamondback]

JFK would be a constitutional Republican these days.

He'd almost certainly be given a blasting by the MSM/Deep State/Soros Complex that'd make what Trump's downrange of look like playing pattycake. Not particularly a fan of JFK across the board--I think the best "presidential role model" in recent history is generally Coolidge--but of the post-WWII presidents I'd have to say he, Reagan and Trump are the three "Least Worst."

[Honu]

Was referring to jfk not teddy

Yeah Ted was what you said

How do you think we got to AOC?

Kennedy introduced and was a strong supporter of the 1965 Hart-Celler Act – signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson – which dramatically changed U.S. immigration policy. Kennedy asserted that the bill would end the favoring of Europeans for immigration into the United States. The 1965 legislation replaced the Immigration Act of 1924, which favored immigrants from northern and western Europe and Canada.

Kennedy's bill was designed to reallocate visas to poorer countries and also added the stipulation that extended families of visa holders would also be eligible for visas. Although Kennedy promised the bill would not increase the number of immigrants into the United States or change the ethnic composition of the United States, immigration numbers doubled from 1965 to 1970 and then doubled again before 1990.

Kennedy was the chairman of the United States Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration, Border Security and Citizenship, and remained a strong advocate for immigrants. Kennedy subsequently took a lead role in several other would-be immigration measures, including the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act (S. 1033) ("McCain-Kennedy") in 2005 and the Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act of 2007, a bipartisan measure worked out with President George W. Bush which ultimately failed on the floor of the U.S. Senate. Among other reforms, the 1033 legislation proposed allowing "undocumented immigrants in the U.S. to come out of the shadows, submit to background checks, and register for a legal status. Immigrants and their families would have six years to earn permanent residence and ultimately citizenship."

Kennedy was a staunch supporter of gun control initiatives. In 2006, he was one of the 16 senators who voted against the Vitter Amendment prohibiting the confiscation of legally possessed firearms during a disaster.

Kennedy generally favored alternative energy sources and opposed additional Alaska oil drilling. However, he opposed the Cape Wind wind turbine project which would occur near his home.

Kennedy became notorious in the 1970s for his support of desegregation busing but was one of those members of Congress, government, and judges and journalists who supported busing but sent their own children to private schools.

A longtime member of the Senate Judiciary Committee (and its chairman from 1979 to 1981), Kennedy was an important Democratic voice during debates and confirmation votes on United States Supreme Court nominees. He and Daniel Inouye, also elected in 1962, voted on more appointments than every other Senator except Robert Byrd.

Kennedy believed that health care coverage was a fundamental right for all individuals and fought for universal health care in the United States until his death.

And we shouldn't forget that Kennedy ran against Jimmy Carter in the 1980 election, had he won, the world would have been a very different place.

[MountainRaven]

This is true. Historical perspective helps to be sure.

I threw my tinfoil off a long time ago, but something about this doesn't smell the same as in the past. The prospect of radical change in an election year definitely matches 1968. However, there is no Vietnam as a major part of the debate. Today it is all internal domestic issues. In 1968 the media was just getting it's feet wet with slanted reporting. They have had 50+ years to perfect it as well as to permeate the media today, be it TV, Twitter, Facebook, etc.

The world won't end, but things here *could* be significantly different if this cancer isn't somehow stopped.

American media (and media in general) has never not had a slant.

A mob of 50 people forms around a lone law enforcement officer outside a government building at night. They begin pelting him with rocks and threatening to to beat him with clubs. Seven more officers arrived to reinforce the one officer and the eight of them took up defensive positions as the crowd swells to 400. Eventually one of the officers is hit in the head and discharges his weapon, prompting one member of the mob to attack the officers with a club while the other officers open fire. Five people in the mob died, another six were injured.

Under pressure from the mob, the government had the eight officers arrested and charged with murder.

This is how the event was portrayed at the time in the American media and how most Americans have been taught to view it in the 250 years since:


So, really, not much has changed in American media.

What has changed is that Americans are no longer as willing to trust the media to bring them the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. A trust the American media has never really deserved.

[flenna]

American media (and media in general) has never not had a slant.

A mob of 50 people forms around a lone law enforcement officer outside a government building at night. They begin pelting him with rocks and threatening to to beat him with clubs. Seven more officers arrived to reinforce the one officer and the eight of them took up defensive positions as the crowd swells to 400. Eventually one of the officers is hit in the head and discharges his weapon, prompting one member of the mob to attack the officers with a club while the other officers open fire. Five people in the mob died, another six were injured.

Under pressure from the mob, the government had the eight officers arrested and charged with murder.

This is how the event was portrayed at the time in the American media and how most Americans have been taught to view it in the 250 years since:


So, really, not much has changed.

Except the mobs today are burning, looting other citizens property and demanding anarchy/tyranny/subjugation. So pick another analogy.

[MountainRaven]

Except the mobs today are burning, looting other citizens property and demanding anarchy/tyranny/subjugation. So pick another analogy.

What analogy? It's a fact.

American media is slanted. Has been since the start.

Is your knowledge of American history predating your birth limited to the propaganda the American media and the American government put out?

Brother. You see the other two I lumped millennials in with, right? C,mon man. Sorry if I wasnt crystal clear.

Your post is like saying, "Neo-Nazis, Klanners, and white people," and then saying, "Bro, you see who I lumped the white people in with, right? Obviously I didn't mean all white people are bad, bro. C'mon."

[The_War_Wagon]

JFK would be a constitutional Republican these days.

He & Ron Paul fighting for an end to the Fed, and a silver standard!

[gunnerblue]

I think the analogy holds, Paul revere and Sam Adams spun the event into a "massacre." Ironically, most conservatives I've talked to lately openly express willingness for police to open fire on the rioters/looters. The dirty little secret of the American Revolution is that it was a extremely progressive and liberal ideal

[ABNAK]

I think the analogy holds, Paul revere and Sam Adams spun the event into a "massacre." Ironically, most conservatives I've talked to lately openly express willingness for police to open fire on the rioters/looters. The dirty little secret of the American Revolution is that it was a extremely progressive and liberal ideal

Funny though how that whole Constitution thing came about as an eventual result of the turmoil. The Founders' "progressive" and "liberal" ideals are about as 180 degrees from the definition of those two words in 2020 as you can get.

[SteyrAUG]

He'd almost certainly be given a blasting by the MSM/Deep State/Soros Complex that'd make what Trump's downrange of look like playing pattycake. Not particularly a fan of JFK across the board--I think the best "presidential role model" in recent history is generally Coolidge--but of the post-WWII presidents I'd have to say he, Reagan and Trump are the three "Least Worst."

NRA Life Member who advocated for a civilian militia. Hard line on communism. Helped create modern military special forces. Stood down the Soviets in a game of nuclear brinksmanship while at the same time not letting it get out of hand. Probably the person most responsible (besides Von Braun) for getting us to the moon. And all while banging Marilyn Monroe and half of Hollywood with a bad back.

I'd say he was one of the four best Presidents of the 20th century. And considering the family of vipers he came from he seemed to be mostly a decent person which is no easy trick. IMO the only Kennedy that was worth a shit.

[SteyrAUG]

What has changed is that Americans are no longer as willing to trust the media to bring them the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. A trust the American media has never really deserved.

We don't agree on everything, but on this we strongly agree.

There isn't even the pretense of unbiased news, I can't think of a single news source that doesn't begin from an editorial bias and the selectively report and interpret events from there. The BBC is probably the closest thing I've seen to neutral bias reporting and they have an incredible bias.

Again, we used to make fun of the Soviet Union in the 1970s because Pravda was a joke and everyone was blatantly lied to and it was so extreme it was absurd. We couldn't fathom how an entire population could be so gullible and so easily manipulated. Now I'm an adult and here we are and it's a painful irony.