Rasmussen Poll- 34% of Americans feel Civil War likely within 5 years

[SteyrAUG]

Do you actually think it will be two groups forming Picket lines and shooting at each other?

I think it will be at least two factions, but I don't think it will be anything as orderly as picket lines. I think it will look more like massive civil unrest in most urban areas that all suddenly go hot at about the same time.

But the fact still remains, once the actual military starts showing up it will be concluded by the weekend.

[sandsunsurf]

And some seem to think the best case scenario for the future of liberty on this continent is for a total socioeconomic collapse and lawless destruction, and we can thrive in that environment in a way that domesticated urban elites cannot.

That’s my thought, kind of. Really we need massive solar flares to create EMPs all around the world. Then only those of us that know how to get food, water, shelter, and security will survive. No “civil war” is realistic - there are too many beliefs and factions. Even on M4C we can’t agree on the role of law enforcement, for instance. Additionally, once the people that can’t survive without MacDonalds and SNAP start dying off and the US becomes a nation of 100 million that CAN survive on their own, we will be promptly invaded. Probably before.

[docsherm]

I think it will be at least two factions, but I don't think it will be anything as orderly as picket lines. I think it will look more like massive civil unrest in most urban areas that all suddenly go hot at about the same time.

But the fact still remains, once the actual military starts showing up it will be concluded by the weekend.

Just like how it was cleared up in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam......

[SteyrAUG]

Just like how it was cleared up in Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam......

So we actually left Vietnam in 72, the north didn't invade the south until 75 when they were positive we wouldn't be coming back. Also we didn't really lose the war in Vietnam so much as we lost popular support for the war back home.

Afghanistan was a shit show and even if we went in there with a determination to defeat the nation of Afghanistan rather than fight against a stateless ideology such as "terrorism" and a government that fully supported that effort I'm not certain we could have won. Really we should have just invited Putin to return. But putting down a US insurrection won't be as challenging as what we attempted in Afghanistan assuming we don't operate under completely restrictive ROEs and don't do completely counter productive operations.

Iraq, we kicked their ass the first time. We kicked their ass the second time. It was only when we were no longer fighting the Iraqi military but a multinational insurgency that we really ran into problems. And once we were no longer fighting the government of Saddam and switched over to fighting a stateless ideology like "terrorism" we were done.

It's like the war on "racism", it's simply unwinnable no matter what you do. No matter how many people become generally enlightened to the fact that there isn't much different until you factor in cultural differences, there will always be the people who hate simply because X is visually different than Y. If we had a magic wand that got rid of race based biases, people would simply find something else to dislike about other people, maybe tall people would all hate short people.

Now I'm not saying it wouldn't be impossible for the US government to completely F everything up trying to put down a US insurrection of two or more opposing forces, what I'm saying is most of the people who will be out in the streets with rifles or on the rooftops with molotov cocktails will mostly knock that shit off when air support and armor show up.

And as soon as somebody zips an actual US soldier, it would probably be game on like nothing anyone has ever seen because the last time was about 150 years ago.

[SteyrAUG]

This doesn’t directly have anything to do with civil war, but:

I just noticed recently, the existence of the google memory hole. When trying to find news articles that tell the truth about the left (in a negative light), they don’t come up in search results for multiple pages. Same with YT. Hundreds of results and scrolling until I find what I KNOW I’ve seen or read before. And I find myself saying that to people: “I’ll have to try and find it later, but I KNOW I’ve read it.”

It’s checkmate isn’t it? They have almost total control over the search engines, social media, news, movies, TV, music, public schools, colleges, and corporate leadership in other industries. We have 50 million battle rifles and no will to use them. But it’s not that simple or people would’ve done it by now. Go after who? WHO? Who is “they”? The “deep state”? Who is that? Thousands of people.

And some seem to think the best case scenario for the future of liberty on this continent is for a total socioeconomic collapse and lawless destruction, and we can thrive in that environment in a way that domesticated urban elites cannot.

LOL. Where have you been. Try and find anything on the Cornell Hostage taking and you will get pages and pages of the Iranian hostage crisis. Try and find pictures of black student activists holding rifles while reading their demands before they release the faculty and students they are holding at gun point and you might be looking for awhile.

[teufelhund1918]

This doesn’t directly have anything to do with civil war, but:

I just noticed recently, the existence of the google memory hole. When trying to find news articles that tell the truth about the left (in a negative light), they don’t come up in search results for multiple pages. Same with YT. Hundreds of results and scrolling until I find what I KNOW I’ve seen or read before. And I find myself saying that to people: “I’ll have to try and find it later, but I KNOW I’ve read it.”

It’s checkmate isn’t it? They have almost total control over the search engines, social media, news, movies, TV, music, public schools, colleges, and corporate leadership in other industries. We have 50 million battle rifles and no will to use them. But it’s not that simple or people would’ve done it by now. Go after who? WHO? Who is “they”? The “deep state”? Who is that? Thousands of people.

And some seem to think the best case scenario for the future of liberty on this continent is for a total socioeconomic collapse and lawless destruction, and we can thrive in that environment in a way that domesticated urban elites cannot.

It's a level of coordination that I certainly can't understand. It certainly involves a lot of Trump Derangement Syndrome that has evolved into tearing down the foundations of this country. Think of all this "social justice" stuff going on now. The riots & looting, attacks on police, the crap going on in Seattle, tearing down Confederate statues, ronie virus, pushing the economy into a recession/depression, NASCAR, NFL, all the social media venues, changes to brand names like Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben's, continual attacks on the President over any issue, and so much more.... it all seems to me that there is some kind of coordination behind the scenes going on. You certainly don't have something spontaneous come up all over in a short time like this has. I know you can tie in the normal names to a lot of this stuff, but there appears that there is a lot more people involved pressing this stuff to the forefront.

[chuckman]

The people the weirdo's on the left need to reach is the 1% in the middle. Does anyone think that anyone from the center moving to the right is going to have their minds changed because the left owns the bulk of social media? No. The danger lies not in their control of media, but in control of politicians and the judiciary.

The popular polls in the 60s, 70s, and early 80s showed people believed the USSR was going to nuke us. The polls take advantage of recency and confirmation bias. It doesn't take away the reality of what is happening on the ground, but I do think it gets overstated.

[Straight Shooter]

I think it will be at least two factions, but I don't think it will be anything as orderly as picket lines. I think it will look more like massive civil unrest in most urban areas that all suddenly go hot at about the same time.

But the fact still remains, once the actual military starts showing up it will be concluded by the weekend.

Brother, that just farcical. Itll only add to the problem.
Plus,Ive seen some "training" videos the past few years...I aint none too worried about most of them.

[Whiskey_Bravo]

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But the fact still remains, once the actual military starts showing up it will be concluded by the weekend.

If there is actual fighting, as in urban combat what do you really think the military is going to do? Roll in with armor and start shooting at both sides, or 3 sides, or whatever number of sides are fighting? How many active duty guys do you think really want to do that? Are they going to move block by block, house by house Fallujah style? If there is actual shooting happening in multiple cities does the military deploy to all of them? Do they shoot anybody with a gun? As police are overwhelmed and or quit because they have no support, people that have nothing to do with the fighting will have to be armed just to go to the grocery store, especially if there is major "unrest" happening. Do they get engaged as well?


Just don't think it will be as easy as deploy active duty military and hostilities end in a day or two. Even if they did, do you really think the different factions are going to kiss and make up? Or just move their killing even more underground. Things would get really messy really quickly.

[grizzlyblake]

It's a level of coordination that I certainly can't understand. It certainly involves a lot of Trump Derangement Syndrome that has evolved into tearing down the foundations of this country. Think of all this "social justice" stuff going on now. The riots & looting, attacks on police, the crap going on in Seattle, tearing down Confederate statues, ronie virus, pushing the economy into a recession/depression, NASCAR, NFL, all the social media venues, changes to brand names like Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben's, continual attacks on the President over any issue, and so much more.... it all seems to me that there is some kind of coordination behind the scenes going on. You certainly don't have something spontaneous come up all over in a short time like this has. I know you can tie in the normal names to a lot of this stuff, but there appears that there is a lot more people involved pressing this stuff to the forefront.

I’d say the protests/riots are most definitely some heavy behind the scenes coordination. The rest of it, NFL, NASCAR, etc. is most likely simply pandering and virtue signaling of businesses fearing the very real cancel culture that has taken on a life of its own.