Socialism and authoritarianism is not right-wing.Originally Posted by MountainRaven
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Socialism and authoritarianism is not right-wing.
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The NSDAP, or NAZI party, was considered “right wing” because it was to the right of Stalinist Communism, but it was still on the leftist side of the scale. It’s not “right wing” as far as being on the conservative side of the scale.
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Right-wing authoritarianism is a thing. The ancient Roman Republic was far right wing economically; it was entirely privatized and all government projects and services were offered through contracts with private entities. Of course, that also included enforcing laws, and the Romans were not exactly a libertarian paradise despite their laissez faire economic system. So they did have people kicking down doors to drag enemies of the state away to be eaten by the lions, but they were just from privately run police forces.
Let's not also forget that conservative authoritarianism is also a thing. It's pretty well established that more than a few nations, including our own in the past, have used force to silence and/or eliminate anybody who challenged the status quo, in the name of maintaining tradition and preserving morality. Case and point: The entire Middle East.
Socialism, yes, is not, and never will be right wing. Nazism started out as pure blend of socialism and racism. However, Hitler was more center-left when it came to the economy, and so when he bumped out the true socialists like Ernst Rohm, National Socialism drifted to the center economically and really became it's own thing. It wasn't socialist, but it certainly wasn't far right like people nowadays claim.
Authoritarianism wears many hats. Whether someone wants to purify the land from sin and kill all the heretics, purify the land from [insert race/ethnic group], or purify the land from capitalism and kill all the conservatives, there will always be tyrants and wannabe tyrants.
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I completely disagree that you can be right-wing and authoritarian or right-wing and socialist; perhaps relativity one can be. It just simply doesn’t work. Less government or more government. Those are your options. Perhaps this is somewhat clouded by European definition of right/left spectrum vs that in the US. From an American perspective, the claim simply isn’t possible.
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Politics isn't a linear spectrum, it is more of a circle. While Communism and Fascism are technically polar opposites, they in fact are both authoritarian and tyrannical in nature. So they kind of connect at the extreme ends of the political "circle".
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I always liked the political compass with the X axis being economic control/centralization, and the Y axis being social control. Of course, Communism is in the top left corner as it advocates from complete control of both the economy and society, whereas Fascism and Nazism is actually in the top center, as these systems advocate for a mixed economy but complete control of society. The top right corner would be more of a monarchy or an oligarchy, in that the aristocracy/nobility has nearly complete economic freedom, but completely denies all rights to the lower classes.
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Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who do not.-Ben Franklin
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but the left folks do not care about truth or reality and if you do not believe the lies they spew you are a nazi racist blah blah
they are so truly detached from reality anymore ?
truly a fallen world !
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Uh, obviously stopping the 'Trump coup', by staging their own of course....I will make a prediction that I really hope is inaccurate:
The Left has tried Plan A and attempted to dig up dirt and prevent Trump from ever taking office. That failed.
Plan B was to make shit up, not once, but twice ("muh Russia!" then Ukraine) and impeach him. That too failed.
If he wins on Nov. 3rd, anyone wanna make a wild guess what Plan C will be? I hope the Secret Service is on it's toes......
Well worth a browse through to get an idea of the crack these people are piping. They've apparently tipped off the scale to the point where they literally believe the above sentence. It's an odd blend of both hilarious and worrisome.
"Stopping the Coup; Guide"
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0...Sc/mobilebasic
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Oh. My. God.Uh, obviously stopping the 'Trump coup', by staging their own of course....
Well worth a browse through to get an idea of the crack these people are piping. They've apparently tipped off the scale to the point where they literally believe the above sentence. It's an odd blend of both hilarious and worrisome.
"Stopping the Coup; Guide"
https://docs.google.com/document/u/0...Sc/mobilebasic
They actually believe themselves! SMH.....
I kept seeing "highways" mentioned, as in shutting them down. I work in the city, so a small portion of my travels are on the interstate. They seem intent on blocking things. Since I don't go looking for trouble, don't go to protests, etc., if my path is blocked my reactions will vary by what occurs (although the annoyance meter will be pegged either way): just blocking the road, and standing around looking like idiots, won't be much I can do, maybe shoot them the bird or such. Now if they go to the next "interactive" level and begin trying to remove drivers (especially if you're blocked in by other cars from traffic stacking up) then it is a whole new ballgame. I don't mind saying on an internet forum that I will NOT be pulled from my vehicle by animals and will do whatever is necessary to prevent that. Since my main weapon of defense---the gas pedal---will be taken away, there is Option 2 and I have no qualms at utilizing it. The aftermath will not matter at that moment, I know how I think. I decide then go, consequences be damned. It has bitten me in the ass a couple of times during the course of my life, and it has also proved positive many times. This would be no different. I hope the would-be Cretans wouldn't be counting on me worrying so much about muh retirement and dental plan that I'd curl up in a ball and take a possibly deadly beating. That would be a VERY egregious error on their behalf.
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Two words come to mind....Reginald Denny.Oh. My. God.
They actually believe themselves! SMH.....
I kept seeing "highways" mentioned, as in shutting them down. I work in the city, so a small portion of my travels are on the interstate. They seem intent on blocking things. Since I don't go looking for trouble, don't go to protests, etc., if my path is blocked my reactions will vary by what occurs (although the annoyance meter will be pegged either way): just blocking the road, and standing around looking like idiots, won't be much I can do, maybe shoot them the bird or such. Now if they go to the next "interactive" level and begin trying to remove drivers (especially if you're blocked in by other cars from traffic stacking up) then it is a whole new ballgame. I don't mind saying on an internet forum that I will NOT be pulled from my vehicle by animals and will do whatever is necessary to prevent that. Since my main weapon of defense---the gas pedal---will be taken away, there is Option 2 and I have no qualms at utilizing it. The aftermath will not matter at that moment, I know how I think. I decide then go, consequences be damned. It has bitten me in the ass a couple of times during the course of my life, and it has also proved positive many times. This would be no different. I hope the would-be Cretans wouldn't be counting on me worrying so much about muh retirement and dental plan that I'd curl up in a ball and take a possibly deadly beating. That would be a VERY egregious error on their behalf.
If I see an issue on the road, first thing is avoidance. I'll turn around and find an alternate path. Unable to avoid, I'll drive through at a reasonable 20-25 mph and leave the maddening crowd behind. If this older fellow is targeted by whatever protestors, blm, antifa, Boy Scouts, and vehicle is compromised, then its poor target selection on their part. I will respond accordingly to any
threat posed and it will brutally violent if need be. I'm going home. Period. End of sentence.
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