To the LEO on this forum: Quit

[glocktogo]

I’ve started playing PowerBall as my backup retirement plan... the odds of striking the jackpot are way better than the odds of me making it to the 20 year mark lol

I only play the office pool. I don't expect to ever win, but I'll be damned if I'd sit here and watch them win and I'm stuck here holding the bag while they all retire early!

Qualified immunity is out. Your home, car, any assets are free game in a civil suit, if I’m reading it correctly.

https://lawandcrime.com/george-floyd...lice-officers/

So how long until LEO's put everything in a Trust and set up LLC's for policing?

- Places limits on use of force in response to a protest or demonstration (cannot fire projectiles at head/pelvis/back or indiscriminately into a crowd. Must warn to disperse prior to use of chemical agents)

I disagree with this 100%. This will make it harder to stop riots. If people are legally protesting peacefully, no need to use force. If you riot, and you get hit with a rubber bullet, gas canister it should be on you and not the police.

The problem is that there's no delineation between peaceful protests and rioting. The biggest problem we see right now is munitions being used against peaceful protesters and those practicing civil disobedience. That's straight up a no-go in American society. Even once it turns into a riot or looting, officers shouldn't be shooting them in the face with rubber bullets. You don't use lethal force unless life is in danger, and rubber bullets to the head can kill even more easily than tasers. Nothing is lost by NOT shooting or gassing peaceful Americans, or by warning them when they cross the line to riot and that munitions will be used to stop them.

- Ends qualified immunity as a defense to civil action and allows for civil action to be brought against individual officers for infringement of rights.
This is total BS. When I was a cop in the USA, I was sued 3 times. Twice the county settled out of court as a cost saving issue. The third time the scum refused a huge cash settlement and in trial they won zero. But if you don't protect officers financial well being you will have officers doing nothing. On the other hand if an officer is convicted in a criminal court of a felony, then QI should be open for removal after a court hearing and due process.

Mostly agree. The issue isn't QI per se, but the refusal of the legal system to hold officers accountable for criminal acts. When agencies and DA's cover up LE crimes, society loses. When unions strongarm agencies and DA's to have a kid glove policy on bad cops, society loses. If the profession doesn't want and can't afford to lose QI, then they damned well better shape up and police their own ranks before policing the public. You can't lament the loss of something you refused to protect, and that's what's been happening for far too long. Personally I think a flagrant violation of policy should void QI, not just a criminal conviction. Obviously the problem comes in deciding what is/isn't flagrant?

- Creates use of force standards that limits use of lethal force and bans choke holds.
The choke hold if taught how to do it is a great tool, and not lethal. I have choked out tons of people in my life. Never killed anyone, but it solved me having to really hurt someone to get them to jail. Limit lethal force, will get cops killed.

Again, you aren't the problem. The Derek Chauvins of the profession are the problem. Unless unions and agencies start working together to remove them from the profession, all officers will suffer the loss of vital tools they need to perform their duties.

- Requires officers to intervene when they witness other officers using unlawful physical force and requires reporting.
No problem with requiring reporting, but what is intervention

I'm guessing verbal, then physical intervention if verbal isn't effective?

- Mandates that officers who fail to intervene shall be decertified by the POST board
Again what is intervention?

Man I usually agree with the things you say, but I can't fully agree with you here. The problem is you're assuming a good officer who both follows policy and has some morals. Unfortunately it's been proven that those things are absent from more than a few officers. See my comments in blue.

[Adrenaline_6]

This whole ban on choke holds rhetoric is stupid. It has it's place to render someone violently resisting to be less resistant. If you actually think about it, Floyd wasn't even being choked to begin with. He was being knelt on his neck. Not really a choke hold in any sense of the word. If someone fights to the point they pass out, more than likely, they get let go, they regain consciousness and all is good. The ones who have a bad heart or respiratory condition are stupid to fight to begin with because even not being choked can do them in.

Anything can be abused for the most part, it is the same rhetoric as shootings. Ban the gun because as few bad people use it incorrectly and illegally. Stupid.

[Averageman]

This whole ban on choke holds rhetoric is stupid. It has it's place to render someone violently resisting to be less resistant. If you actually think about it, Floyd wasn't even being choked to begin with.

Is this going to result in more shootings or less?

[flenna]

Is this going to result in more shootings or less?

This whole mess will result in the police not policing. Which will drive crime through the roof. Which will result in the Leftists/ComDems pushing for a national police force that answers only to them.

[Averageman]

This whole mess will result in the police not policing. Which will drive crime through the roof. Which will result in the Leftists/ComDems pushing for a national police force that answers only to them.

So essentially more black on black crime because no one will respond to calls in certain areas?

[yoni]

I just want to be clear. Americans protesting peacefully, should never be subject to any amount of force from the police beyond showing them which way to march so they don't go down a wrong road and get run over by cars.

[flenna]

So essentially more black on black crime because no one will respond to calls in certain areas?

It hasn’t been that long ago when activists were claiming racism because there were not enough police patrolling in high crime areas.

[1168]

This whole ban on choke holds rhetoric is stupid. It has it's place to render someone violently resisting to be less resistant. If you actually think about it, Floyd wasn't even being choked to begin with. He was being knelt on his neck. Not really a choke hold in any sense of the word. If someone fights to the point they pass out, more than likely, they get let go, they regain consciousness and all is good. The ones who have a bad heart or respiratory condition are stupid to fight to begin with because even not being choked can do them in.

Anything can be abused for the most part, it is the same rhetoric as shootings. Ban the gun because as few bad people use it incorrectly and illegally. Stupid.

If choking dudes out is banned, then cops should have 500mg ketamine autoinjectors. I’m only half kidding.

[jpmuscle]

If choking dudes out is banned, then cops should have 500mg ketamine autoinjectors. I’m only half kidding.

More like ketawinning

But yea outlawing lethal force options is a small brain move. Weird how the 4A doesn’t care about such things ...


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[Diamondback]

If choking dudes out is banned, then cops should have 500mg ketamine autoinjectors. I’m only half kidding.

If you can get a clear shot at the right spot to stick him for long enough to do so... this could be a reasonable compromise.