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**Averageman** · 06-22-20, 18:20

This is going to result in more deaths, not fewer then?
Look, I'm tracking all of the good intent here and no, a knee on the neck is nothing like a properly applied rear choke hold, but..
I'm thinking the fewer tools, you have to work with the quicker scenario's escalate. Instead of a proper OODA loop it becomes abbreviated by political forces.
This does not bode well for those who will now be emboldened to resist arrest.

**prepare** · 06-22-20, 18:42

Bureaucracy has many contradictories that are/have been showing up in LE.

For example we have laws, we have law enforcement, and we have criminals who violate those laws. Cops catch the criminals and the the bureaucracy lets them go without punishment.

Society wants nice social workers so violent felons don't get roughed up.

Can't have cops trained in hand to hand skills because that could be seen as excessive use of force. Since cops can't fight they resort to shooting.

The left wants it both ways.

Eventually ComDem cities will only have/hire their own kind, ComDem cops.

**Averageman** · 06-22-20, 19:04

Originally Posted by prepare

Eventually ComDem cities will only have/hire their own kind, ComDem cops.

I honestly believe this has to an extent been happening for a number of years. It would certainly appear that many of the Chiefs of Police in major Blue Cities are much more anti-gun and toeing the Blue agenda.
I'm not sure how that filters down to the Cop on the street, but why would anyone work for a guy who would burn you in a heart beat?
Again Deep Blue Cities inside Deep Blue States should be policing exactly along the lines as they are instructed.

**flenna** · 06-22-20, 19:41

This is good- law enforcement officials in CA refusing to enforce the Governor's mandatory mask order. Some agencies saying that due to the risk of confrontation over a non-law they will ignore it, even going to the extent of telling the public not to call them for mask violations.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cal...ace-mask-order

**vicious_cb** · 06-22-20, 20:09

Originally Posted by flenna

This is good- law enforcement officials in CA refusing to enforce the Governor's mandatory mask order. Some agencies saying that due to the risk of confrontation over a non-law they will ignore it, even going to the extent of telling the public not to call them for mask violations.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cal...ace-mask-order

Too bad they're still enforcing CA's draconian gun laws.

**BoringGuy45** · 06-22-20, 23:01

Originally Posted by Averageman

I honestly believe this has to an extent been happening for a number of years. It would certainly appear that many of the Chiefs of Police in major Blue Cities are much more anti-gun and toeing the Blue agenda.
I'm not sure how that filters down to the Cop on the street, but why would anyone work for a guy who would burn you in a heart beat?
Again Deep Blue Cities inside Deep Blue States should be policing exactly along the lines as they are instructed.

I worked for a department in densely populated, poverty stricken, deep blue city. The chief, I have almost no doubt, would tow the line on gun bans if it came to that (though I was in a pro-gun state, so that wasn't going to happen when I was there). The captain and all the lieutenants were self-proclaimed conservatives and proudly pro gun. One corporal (who is now a sergeant) was anti-gun, to the point that he only carried a gun because it was an absolute requirement on duty. However, he wasn't particularly outspoken or aggressive about it, and even if a gun confiscation was ordered, he'd probably not care to strictly enforce it because he was so damn lazy. All the other sergeants were pro gun. Among the corporals and rank and file officers, the majority would not comply with a gun confiscation order. Some would walk off the job, others would just not even try to make any arrests. A few would comply, but not out of being anti-gun as much as they were of the mercenary mindset that they just did what they were told.

So, my assessment, from my department and from my interaction with surrounding departments was that most cops would not take part in anti-gun enforcement. But, enough would that it would cause a problem.

**LMT Shooter** · 06-23-20, 00:10

Regarding choke holds, I fail to see the logic in an outright prohibition of anything if lethal force is justified. If you are trying to gouge my eyes out, I can absolutely justify (morally) biting your fingers off if that's the only way to prevent me being blinded for life. In a true life or death struggle, the only rule is to survive/win/whatever you wanna call it. If lethal force is justified, who gives rats ass what the means was?

This is like laws or policies that specify that the MINIMUM amount of force be used. How the hell can anyone know what the minimum amount of force that will work is? Any dipshit in favor of those rules has never been in a real fight. An officer deciding what amount of justified force to use is often making an educated guess. Too little, and it's possible that someone gets injured or killed. Too much, and you risk criminal charges &/or civil lawsuits. Oh, and you'll often be making that educated guess in an instant and under extreme stress, but don't make the wrong choice!

The true issue is unjustified uses of force.

**JoshNC** · 06-23-20, 00:23

Originally Posted by flenna

This is good- law enforcement officials in CA refusing to enforce the Governor's mandatory mask order. Some agencies saying that due to the risk of confrontation over a non-law they will ignore it, even going to the extent of telling the public not to call them for mask violations.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cal...ace-mask-order

That’s great, but where is an analogous open refusal to enforce the many unconstitutional gun laws in CA?