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Thread: I try to stay out of LEO threads. This is my one and only post about the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don't Tread On Me View Post
    Not to derail this thread, but at what point did the right to self defense hinge on permission from the state? I'm sorry, but I have to bring it up as that kind of mentality is what allows states like Cali and NY to continue to shit on our rights. That being said, I don't agree with the guy's actions as it falls perfectly in line with the old adage, "avoid stupid people, in stupid places, doing stupid things."
    Not that he needed permission, but if you're going to go looking for trouble, packing illegally isn't going to gain you any points in the matter. Difficult to claim self defense when you're the one who started the fight... The OP mentioned the police using any excuse to arrest him as a right-winger at the protest. Seems a little more likely that the police didn't need an excuse at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrenaline_6 View Post
    That is why most here are suggesting elected sheriff's having the say. Those appointed chief of police and their departments are controlled by their political appointer's.
    And sheriffs are elected. What's the difference? A Democrat/Liberal city isn't going to elect a conservative sheriff.

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    I don’t think absorbing cities into the counties will change anything, good or bad. The same cops working a city now will just be wearing a different uniform, dealing with the same people. And Sheriffs (and deputies) can be corrupt and toxic, also. Or cowardly.
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    Sheriffs aren't a panacea, but (in my opinion) there are at least a couple of things that are positives.

    A bad police officer can be protected by layers of bureaucracy. Depending on where it is, the department hierarchy, mayor, city council, and possibly others, may have hiring/firing authority which is ripe territory for passing the buck and adds confusion to who to vote out of office or possibly makes it nearly impossible to vote the layers of protection out. A bad deputy is the sheriff's baby and the sheriff and registered voters are well aware of that which is why wayward deputies tend to get dropped faster than bad police.

    If nothing else, redundant command staff and money for their higher salaries plus (as seems to often be the case) equipment issued to them that isn't getting used like officers actually out answering calls for assistance use equipment would be freed up.
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    Everyone who thinks Sheriff is somehow better or more in tune because of votes I give you Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    Everyone who thinks Sheriff is somehow better or more in tune because of votes I give you Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel
    If there was a like button I would hit it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    Everyone who thinks Sheriff is somehow better or more in tune because of votes I give you Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel
    I don't think anyone thinks it's a perfect solution, just a better one than appointees. Sure, if the city/county is all blue than your prett f*cked and should move out of that nonsense. To the places that are all blue, and vote in idiots, they reap what they sow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbhike View Post
    Not sure about the other states, but Jefferson County(Louisville) and Fayette County(Lexington) still have sheriff's...
    That’s what I meant, a joint City/County LE agency led by an elected Sheriff.

    I’m not sure if that’s the answer but I do like having elected Sheriffs as part of our checks and balances. While there have been some really poor Sheriffs there have also been a lot of very good, honorable Sheriffs who believe in the Bill of Rights and work hard to protect their constituents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Not an LEO here, but I'm just gonna say this... if these assholes get their way and there are no more cops, who's gonna stand with us when they come for us next?
    It’s been said many times that the cops don’t protect us from the criminals, they protect the criminals from us.

    In a world without police, criminals will find themselves on the receiving end of deadly force far quicker by us. A point the left either can’t grasp or refuses to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tn1911 View Post
    It’s been said many times that the cops don’t protect us from the criminals, they protect the criminals from us.

    In a world without police, criminals will find themselves on the receiving end of deadly force far quicker by us. A point the left either can’t grasp or refuses to believe.
    I think many of the ones organizing things understand that just fine and even see it as desirable. It would be another thing to point to in declaring our society irredeemable and in need or replacement, and the goal of all of this is to turn as many people against the government and the fabric of American society as possible.

    They're already declaring that anyone complaining about crime is just showing privilege and instead needs to be quiet and take their medicine.

    Make no mistake, there's a certain element within the far left that wants chaos and destruction, either for it's own sake, or because their goal is to tear everything down and rebuild society from the ground up as they see fit. Hell, they're not even being quiet about it.

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