I try to stay out of LEO threads. This is my one and only post about the subject.

[ThirdWatcher]

^^^ You mean “Metro” departments? I don’t know anything about them but I believe Las Vegas, NV, Louisville, KY, and Indianapolis, IN (and possibly others) have already merged City and County LE agencies. It would sure avoid a lot of duplication of services.

[jsbhike]

^^^ You mean “Metro” departments? I don’t know anything about them but I believe Las Vegas, NV, Louisville, KY, and Indianapolis, IN (and possibly others) have already merged City and County LE agencies. It would sure avoid a lot of duplication of services.

Not sure about the other states, but Jefferson County(Louisville) and Fayette County(Lexington) still have sheriff's.

http://www.jcsoky.org/

http://www.fayettesheriff.com/

And while there has always been a Jefferson County Sheriff, they got in on the county police early, but no indicator of why it was created or who ultimately headed the agency.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisv...ice_Department

And here are several Wikipedia failed to mention in 1 package. Not sure how someone can walk for committing kidnapping and extortion over failing to make loan payments, but here he is.

https://www.wdrb.com/news/good-cop-b...180f97631.html

[Arik]

Then you have Pa where Sheriffs are court officers. You want to deliver a summons? Protect the court house? Transport a prisoner? Buy a house? You have the sheriffs do it

[BoringGuy45]

Then you have Pa where Sheriffs are court officers. You want to deliver a summons? Protect the court house? Transport a prisoner? Buy a house? You have the sheriffs do it

And the only reason sheriffs are not cops in PA is because of politics. If the sheriffs offices were given full law enforcement authority, likely many of the township and boroughs would disband their PDs and contract with the sheriff's office for services, which honestly makes more sense in terms of resources and efficiency. It wouldn't be that hard either; most deputies have Act120 already, and many are already part time officers with municipal PDs. But police chiefs of all these 10> man PDs in all these tiny boroughs and townships don't want to give up their kingdoms, so they always lobby against the sheriffs.

Some cops get REAL nasty when you suggest that deputies should be cops in PA: "This is the way we do it in Pennsylvania. We do it this way for a good reason. If you think that deputies should be cops then clearly you don't know what the f**k you're talking about and you need to keep your goddamn mouth shut!" It's crazy.

At any rate, I'm a huge advocate for all states having a more county-based law enforcement model. Elected sheriffs should rule the roost when it comes to law enforcement as they answer to the people. County law enforcement agencies offer the best compromise in that they are large enough to minimize the good ol' boy network (usually), and they can offer significant resources and services. However, they're usually small enough, or have patrol sections that are small enough, to have good community policing, which is good for police-community relations. County PDs do okay for this, but I prefer sheriff's offices.

[Alpha-17]

Not an LEO here, but I'm just gonna say this... if these assholes get their way and there are no more cops, who's gonna stand with us when they come for us next?

Even if they don't get their way, I don't think people should count on the cops standing with them. NM proved as much, with the cops using any excuse they could to arrest the right-wing protestors when a guy defended himself from the mob. CHAZ/Soymalia is another example, as that place only exists because of politically mandated police protection from outside groups. Bottom line, if you live in an area under democratic rule (where 90% of the "defund the police" protests are), the PD's won't be standing with you, they'll be waiting for an excuse to arrest you.

[Adrenaline_6]

Even if they don't get their way, I don't think people should count on the cops standing with them. NM proved as much, with the cops using any excuse they could to arrest the right-wing protestors when a guy defended himself from the mob. CHAZ/Soymalia is another example, as that place only exists because of politically mandated police protection from outside groups. Bottom line, if you live in an area under democratic rule (where 90% of the "defund the police" protests are), the PD's won't be standing with you, they'll be waiting for an excuse to arrest you.

That is why most here are suggesting elected sheriff's having the say. Those appointed chief of police and their departments are controlled by their political appointer's.

[mrbieler]

Even if they don't get their way, I don't think people should count on the cops standing with them. NM proved as much, with the cops using any excuse they could to arrest the right-wing protestors when a guy defended himself from the mob. CHAZ/Soymalia is another example, as that place only exists because of politically mandated police protection from outside groups. Bottom line, if you live in an area under democratic rule (where 90% of the "defund the police" protests are), the PD's won't be standing with you, they'll be waiting for an excuse to arrest you.

You may want to pull the New Mexico example. New video shows the blue shirted guy starting trouble and even body slamming a women before the crowd turned on him. He apparently didn't have a CCW for his pistol either. Showing up at protests to start shit and carrying illegal isn't going to win anyone good guy points.

[mrbieler]

That is why most here are suggesting elected sheriff's having the say. Those appointed chief of police and their departments are controlled by their political appointer's.

For the most part I agree with an elected sheriff over an appointed police chief, but I also see how the sheriff campaigns are run here in Los Angeles and Orange County. Corrupt isn't a strong enough word. In the end, elected and appointed are often the same when big $ is involved.

[Don't Tread On Me]

You may want to pull the New Mexico example. New video shows the blue shirted guy starting trouble and even body slamming a women before the crowd turned on him. He apparently didn't have a CCW for his pistol either. Showing up at protests to start shit and carrying illegal isn't going to win anyone good guy points.

Not to derail this thread, but at what point did the right to self defense hinge on permission from the state? I'm sorry, but I have to bring it up as that kind of mentality is what allows states like Cali and NY to continue to shit on our rights. That being said, I don't agree with the guy's actions as it falls perfectly in line with the old adage, "avoid stupid people, in stupid places, doing stupid things."

[Diamondback]

^^^ You mean “Metro” departments? I don’t know anything about them but I believe Las Vegas, NV, Louisville, KY, and Indianapolis, IN (and possibly others) have already merged City and County LE agencies. It would sure avoid a lot of duplication of services.

When I say "muni" I mean City-level all the way down to small-town, including the big Metros like LVMPD, DC and Miami-Dade. Not sure how you'd handle NYPD with it spanning multiple counties and the city practically being a micro-state all by itself...