Antifa-viewpoint AAR of the Minneapolis disaster: "siege of the third precinct"

[SomeOtherGuy]

https://crimethinc.com/2020/06/10/th...t-and-analysis

Far left site, I am in no way affiliated with it but came across it. It's very long and detailed. Describes the whole setup, the systematic use of "nonviolent" people to enable the violent ones, etc.

Pretty much everyone interested in the GD should read this. If you are a LEO with any, ANY chance of being on riot duty, you MUST read this.

New thread because this would fit best in the closed Floyd thread, mods can of course move it wherever they think it fits best.

[stahljaeger]

I found the use of lasers to blind horrible, that causes permanent eye damage. How do you defend yourself against that?

Laser goggles can really only handle one clot before they block all vision anyway, and lasers are readily available in all sorts of frequencies from infrared, red, green, blue. Lasers outrage less-lethal options, and while I think lethal force is justified, I don’t think that is going to fly in the current legal environment.

Get your own lasers?

[ABNAK]

I found the use of lasers to blind horrible, that causes permanent eye damage. How do you defend yourself against that?

Laser goggles can really only handle one clot before they block all vision anyway, and lasers are readily available in all sorts of frequencies from infrared, red, green, blue. Lasers outrage less-lethal options, and while I think lethal force is justified, I don’t think that is going to fly in the current legal environment.

Get your own lasers?

Yep, one mounted on a weapon. Then instead of permanent eye damage you have a new hole in the head allowing access to what little gray matter they have.

[Wildcat]

I found the use of lasers to blind horrible, that causes permanent eye damage. How do you defend yourself against that?

Laser goggles can really only handle one clot before they block all vision anyway, and lasers are readily available in all sorts of frequencies from infrared, red, green, blue. Lasers outrage less-lethal options, and while I think lethal force is justified, I don’t think that is going to fly in the current legal environment.

Get your own lasers?

Lots of smoke reduces the effectiveness of lasers and helps track the origin of visible lasers as well as alerts you to their use. IR or UV would be bad though. Not many good options

You also have to train, or be trained, not to instinctively look at a light source you suspect could be a laser. Also not easy.

[ap1220]

Reading through it now. I hope this makes its way to LEO authorities and made useful.

[Jellybean]

In case anyone still thought they could "educate" or "conserve" their way out of this...

They're done talking, and they don't care about the legal consequences because they no longer view it as "their" system.
We're still hamstrung over what to do for ourselves, let alone how to do it or who to do it with, because we're afraid of running afoul of the very system we've created and feel some strange need to uphold, despite it having backstabbed us for decades now.

"... It is their right, it is their duty, to throw off government and to provide new guards for their future security..."

Sounds a lot like "become ungovernable" doesn't it?
Maybe we should consider why the left has actionably grasped such a dearly spoken of concept of ours more thoroughly than we have.

[rero360]

Here in Los Angeles, I personally saw protestors come up to the police officers and point out the agitators and tell the cops if they knew if the person had weapons on them or not. One case it was a guy with a backpack that had knives and fireworks, can’t remember if there were bricks too. Talking to the cops afterwards they said they had been getting tips from protestors all that morning saying that the guy was armed, once they had eyes on they tailed him and grabbed him right across the street from us at LAPD HQ.

I’m sure it’s not like that elsewhere, just what I experienced here.

[SomeOtherGuy]

Here in Los Angeles, I personally saw protestors come up to the police officers and point out the agitators and tell the cops if they knew if the person had weapons on them or not. One case it was a guy with a backpack that had knives and fireworks, can’t remember if there were bricks too. Talking to the cops afterwards they said they had been getting tips from protestors all that morning saying that the guy was armed, once they had eyes on they tailed him and grabbed him right across the street from us at LAPD HQ.

I’m sure it’s not like that elsewhere, just what I experienced here.

I've read reports of similar in a few other places, but there are obviously other places where the mob wanted the violence. I don't know how police would tell, in advance, which type of crowd/mob they are dealing with.

[jbjh]

Interesting read. Sounds like it was written by a college drop-out turned coffee shop revolutionary.

A lot of it comes off as heroic fiction used to reframe, inflate, and propagandize their position - “I was totally using tactics in the uprising.” The author wants to claim responsibility for collaborative actions, but also asserts that things were “fluid”, which, I think, points to their trying to take credit for a situation that was well beyond their control, while being as opportunistic as they could.

I have no doubt that this group (?) was involved, and might have had a plan and goals going in, but I wonder how instrumental they were in what was a 3-day melee.


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[Hank6046]

Interesting read. Sounds like it was written by a college drop-out turned coffee shop revolutionary.

A lot of it comes off as heroic fiction used to reframe, inflate, and propagandize their position - “I was totally using tactics in the uprising.” The author wants to claim responsibility for collaborative actions, but also asserts that things were “fluid”, which, I think, points to their trying to take credit for a situation that was well beyond their control, while being as opportunistic as they could.

I have no doubt that this group (?) was involved, and might have had a plan and goals going in, but I wonder how instrumental they were in what was a 3-day melee.


Sent from 80ms in the future

I have a hard time thinking this is an actual group, and not just a drug and alcohol fueled mob. I grew up here, Saint Paul/Eagan, to be exact and I think about all the lower middle class kids from the suburbs who got into college but couldn't afford it and were fired because they were to busy catching Pokemon, they then read some Trotsky and think that they have it all figured out. I only say this because if it wasn't for the Military and my grand parents intervening at about age 15, I might have become one of them. Growing up as a Millennial (34 now) I think that kids see technology gains and the internet and now their lives are easier, but a fact still remains that you have to go out and work for something in this life, and from what I see with this movement, these kids/ adults just thought it would have been and in their minds, should be, easier.