Who will take the lead?

[prepare]

Well you could say who has TAKEN the lead and we could go back a few years with that lead so they have a LONG LONG lead and we have not even gotten into the game

That pretty much sums it up.

[Jellybean]

It's strange how relevant this is to not only this thread, but conversations I've seen people have in person.

https://youtu.be/_dD1YbG-qAE

It would be more funny if it wasn't true.

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That's pretty much the long and short of it. A comment I read elsewhere on the internetz;
"The Right can meme; the Left can organize. I guess now we know which one is important."

As far as the original question;
If you're looking around wondering who will lead... maybe it's you.
"In the absence of orders..." find something and do it.
We have a lot of inter-movement issues on our side, but there are two blatant ones when it comes to issues of organization and leadership. (yeah, I'm going to choir-preach some more, brace yourselves. )

- We're afraid of power. And for good reason; we know well enough to treat it with care, much like a loaded firearm.
But nobody here is afraid of picking up a gun. Absolute power of life and death over anyone in a 2-10 pound package, and we embrace its use and ownership for all.
State power? Social power? Noooooo.... not me. Something could go horribly wrong after all. Nobody wants to turn into the next dictator, and that's fair enough.
And yet we decry the lunatics seizing state power left and right and blatantly using it to advance their cause while we avoid it like the plague. In a few more years when the voting charade has run its course and we have no state representation, and therefore no power... what then? What good will all those guns do if there's nothing to back them up, or to fight for with them?
It's all just a big excuse to do nothing because it's "not time yet" until it's to late to do anything, when we can then justify doing nothing.
"With no power comes no responsibility". The only thing our 'leaderless resistance' is heading for right now is a final pointless orgy of violence before our enemies win forever.
Well, in that case, why should anyone play? That's not "fighting for a cause", it's merely suicidal protest. Might as well all just throw our guns in a river and set ourselves on fire.
That's all the "boogaloo" nonsense is all about really, just "The Purge: Patriot Edition". Thanks to the left and our decades of "reason" and compromise, there's increasingly nothing to preserve or fight for. So-called 'conservatism' has failed. That's why "the boog" has caught on so well, especially with the younger meme crowd; there's a will to fight for something. Everyone knows a resistance must be made. Everyone knows who the enemy is, and what their ultimate goals are, even if they won't admit it outright. There's just no point to it beyond a meme-movement, because there is no plan to establish a state power to go along with it. Actually, scrap that, there is no plan. Period.

What we need are people who can grasp a sort of Roman-esque Pirate captain mentality; sure the 'rugged individualists' all want their space and they should have it, but there are no democracies when the bullets are flying. To piggyback of Honu, the left has taken the initiative away from us. We're getting maneuvered on and pinned. Someone must choose for themselves they're not going sit and die while everyone cowers around them...

-We think of "leadership" in grand terms of "leading a unit" or company, country, movement, etc. And we look at that and go "I'm just me. Doug Masters. Some random guy on the internet. How can I achieve such a high goal?"
Because we're not a bunch of arrogant, dunning-kruger c*ckbags perfectly assured of our moral rightness over all others like those icky leftists, so who am I to lead?
Yet, it's one thing to be humble. It's another to use humility as an excuse to do nothing.
We forget that half of leadership is simply leading yourself. Think about someone who you would follow "to hell and back". They usually have some personal internal fiber that has made them that way, that they have forged for themselves over years and years of self-leadership; most of the time it didn't just "happen", yet we expect the same thing to just "happen" or "appear" for us.
Despite preaching "hope is not a plan" we sure as hell spend a lot of time waiting for mass miracles.

"Secession of the mind happens before secession of the body". "The will to act..."
It doesn't have to be a grand thing; just decide something today. "I WILL do X" or "I am DONE with X"... and then DO IT (cue Shia... ). Then keep doing it. Then add another decision to that one. And so forth.

You want to attract people? Well you're not going to get all of them today.
But you probably know ONE that you're pretty sure shares your views and ideals, right?
Talk to them, preferably IN PERSON TODAY. Or as soon as possible. Internet conversations are meaningless bullshit; talk is cheapest here (he said totally unironically after a page of text ). Look them in the eye and MAKE THEM BELIEVE you are dead nuts serious. That you don't just have 'grand plans' that are ultimately meaningless, but actionable ideas that you have invested yourself into. That lack of belief and personal investment is why most groups fade away after a short time; "life" did not "get in the way". It was allowed to because nobody was serious to start with.
And if you find solid agreement between the two of you, well that person must surely know ONE person in their life that shares both of your views and ideals. Meet them next. Even if you have drive an hour, or two, or three. Make it happen, because that's what a leader does.
And if you succeed, then that third person must surely know ONE trustworthy, serious person, and so on.

And once you start to get serious people to commit to SOMETHING, then you can start examining the skills and resources you have among yourselves, and how you can widen these areas, and you can start building a little island-hopping campaign of mutual support circles in an area.
It doesn't even have to be big deal issues like the Grand Boogaloo or whatever, it can be simple shit like "hey, the economy is going to be in the shitter pretty soon, lets collaborate in some way to help each other avoid utter ruin during this time".
And if they're like "brilliant idea ol chap, I too have been looking for someone to share the load with, and I've been trying to get myself to a better place with that, but I'm afraid these crazy people are going to come to my neighborhood and burn my house down and I'll lose everything" then you can be like "well then let's come up with a plan for that too; here's some things I know..." and SHAZZAM! you're leading, because right now your the guy with literally ANY plan, and that person you're talking to, who two seconds ago was alone with no plan or half a plan, now isn't...

Or maybe you're one of those lucky people that has like 15 people on tap that you hit the range with regularly, but you all go your separate ways afterwards, and never get together FTF and have a serious sit-down about what you all actually want to do beyond burn ammo, because you're waiting for someone else in the group to make the first move... maybe it's on you?

Finally, to paraphrase Mattis, "Create violent cooperation"
It's one thing to shun people from your group over a legit difference in belief; if you're an anti-left group, only ruin will come from inviting even a tiny bit of that poison in, no matter how good it's going to make you feel to be "inclusive". No, we're not 'all one', they're not your 'fellow countrymen' anymore, and you're already 'the bad guy'. Get over it.
On the flip side, I see so many nonsensical rifts over such simple, meaningless shit within the overall 'right' community it's mind boggling. Worse, it's stopping people from talking and collaborating. If you have people you see eye to eye with on everything except for one minor thing... IS that thing going to stop you from helping them if SHTF tomorrow?
If not... why aren't you talking and planning right now?
Sometimes a common enemy has more ability to pull people together than common ideals.
The enemy is going to kill you now; the minor points of faith in your otherwise shared 'religion' can be hashed out when you have a secure position to do so.
You don't think the same 'schisms of faith' exist on the left? Yet somehow they're not letting it stop them from collaborating...

So, I guess my TL/DR point here is,
> Nobody is coming to lead.
> Nobody ever has a perfect plan that addresses all contingencies and neither will you. But they had a will to act.
Ignore the mockers with no plan and no will of their own. Either they're losers who can be ignored, or they're right about something you suck at, in which case fix it, do better, drive on.
> The simplest, most meaningless ideas and steps are often the most overlooked yet important ones leading in the right direction. Maybe just deciding TODAY that "when I see so and so tomorrow, this time I WILL say something" is all that's needed. And if they don't care... f*** 'em. Lead yourself, then look for the next opportunity.

[Joker]

Mods, previous thread, short one particular earnest attempt at continually derailing it; had some meaningful points and I'm hopeful that this is enough of a different tact as to remain viable:

It is my understanding of the role of SF/Green Berets is to rally, train, unite and lead indigenous populations to stand up to their oppressor/enemy. if that is indeed the case, would it not follow that if these guys have the talent and the stones to go to some far off land, often paying the ultimate price for their efforts, and get rag tag groups of individuals, with probably less skill than your average "gun toting" M4cer, whipped into an actual fighting force; could they not be exactly what we are looking for to lead us at this point?

And I'm not talking some Rambo charge into the heart of Seattle but instead, showing exactly what the left is showing; some organization, a central message, proof that even the media can't ignore that we don't want these leftist/socialist/antagonists destroying the country that we love. I'm talking about getting together with those that want to stand up to this nonsense but don't have anyone with the experience and the cajones to lead it? And yes, I do see what is happening to those that have tried in small groups to stand up already but success seems to occur when large, at least semi-organized groups showing some will and resolve and ready and waiting when these leftists start coming into areas looking to get a foothold, set up shop and start tearing things down.

I've worked and trained with some of these guys in the last decade or so and honestly, they are a different breed. What's going on has to be especially galling for them as more than a few I'd wager, have lost teammates, friends and brothers while representing the sorry rest of us in practically every "shithole" this planet has to offer. How do we, hoping that we have half the bravado that we often show from behind a keyboard, let these real-life warriors know that we're willing to do something, anything, now, not later before it's too far gone.

I'm tired of defending every American virtue and being labeled racist/nazi/zenophobe/redneck/fascist/whatever, I'm tired of hearing how the flag is racist, I'm tired of hearing that it's okay to rip down and rewrite history, I'm tired of watching the corporate world bow to these race baiting psychopaths as they disgrace this country over and over again. This is not the America I want left for my kids, and their kids. I may not have the credentials to lead people to stop this crap, but I'd damn sure follow someone who did. And if no one steps up, I guess I'd have to put my money where my mouth is and give it a go anyway if I really am serious. I'd like to think that's how Trump came to actually want to run; that he really did just not see anyone stepping up to stop the Obama/Clinton/leftist snowball that was literally going unchecked...

I'm right in the middle of enemy territory here in Marlton, NJ and I want to know how we get the 60 million plus; I'd like to think closer to 80 million now, that would vote against the left to stop whining about shit on the internet (like I'm pretty much doing right now) and step up. For Christ's sakes, how much more of a foothold do we let these people have before we dig in?? Not everyone can fit in Texas...

This is a really good post actually.

[rocsteady]

So the NY AG is attacking and wants to "dissolve" the NRA. Are we at the breaking point yet? This is next level evil, political shit right here. If the NRA is diverting funding to protect itself, there's a LOT of messaging and voters that don't get that last minute push that the NRA is known to get from not only its 5 million members, but the 100 million gun owners in the country. This is bad, bad news no matter what you think of the buffoons at the top of the NRA food chain. How do we get a Texas or Florida to sue the BLM/Democrat party to tie up their funding?

[Honu]

Well trying to falsely accuse the sitting elected president of being a Russian spy should have been more breaking point then this ?

Another ploy and idiocy ironic its on tax payers money that alone should make it illegal ?

So the NY AG is attacking and wants to "dissolve" the NRA. Are we at the breaking point yet? This is next level evil, political shit right here. If the NRA is diverting funding to protect itself, there's a LOT of messaging and voters that don't get that last minute push that the NRA is known to get from not only its 5 million members, but the 100 million gun owners in the country. This is bad, bad news no matter what you think of the buffoons at the top of the NRA food chain. How do we get a Texas or Florida to sue the BLM/Democrat party to tie up their funding?

[BoringGuy45]

One of the problems that conservative movements seem to have is that they end up getting corrupted and off track really quickly. Movements that start out well end up a few different ways that kill them 1) They go ultra-Christian moralist and dedicate their efforts to things like overturning gay marriage, censoring text books that show human anatomy, etc. 2) They drift center and become RINO 3) They get infiltrated by the far right and actually become the Neo-Nazis the left accused them of being from the beginning.

The question is, how do you get a movement that isn't going to get sidetracked by stupid pet projects and keep actual far-right extremists out?

[Circle_10]

One of the problems that conservative movements seem to have is that they end up getting corrupted and off track really quickly. Movements that start out well end up a few different ways that kill them 1) They go ultra-Christian moralist and dedicate their efforts to things like overturning gay marriage, censoring text books that show human anatomy, etc. 2) They drift center and become RINO 3) They get infiltrated by the far right and actually become the Neo-Nazis the left accused them of being from the beginning.

The question is, how do you get a movement that isn't going to get sidetracked by stupid pet projects and keep actual far-right extremists out?

This post dovetails nicely into the feelings of.....disenchantment I’ve been hit by lately. To be honest I feel alienated from both sides in the impending shit show. The insanity of the modern Left has essentially forced me to align myself with the Right, but as someone who is not particularly socially conservative and who is totally secular, it’s an uneasy alliance at best and I am just not comfortable around a lot of the “patriot” community.
Part of it is the cringey flag-wrapped paper tiger aspect of it too. As well as the feeling that a lot of people on the Right would end up being just as Statist as the Left, as long as the agenda that the State was enforcing aligned with their beliefs.

[grizzlyblake]

This post dovetails nicely into the feelings of.....disenchantment I’ve been hit by lately. To be honest I feel alienated from both sides in the impending shit show. The insanity of the modern Left has essentially forced me to align myself with the Right, but as someone who is not particularly socially conservative and who is totally secular, it’s an uneasy alliance at best and I am just not comfortable around a lot of the “patriot” community.
Part of it is the cringey flag-wrapped paper tiger aspect of it too. As well as the feeling that a lot of people on the Right would end up being just as Statist as the Left, as long as the agenda that the State was enforcing aligned with their beliefs.

I feel this post for sure.

[Ron3]

This post dovetails nicely into the feelings of.....disenchantment I’ve been hit by lately. To be honest I feel alienated from both sides in the impending shit show. The insanity of the modern Left has essentially forced me to align myself with the Right, but as someone who is not particularly socially conservative and who is totally secular, it’s an uneasy alliance at best and I am just not comfortable around a lot of the “patriot” community.
Part of it is the cringey flag-wrapped paper tiger aspect of it too. As well as the feeling that a lot of people on the Right would end up being just as Statist as the Left, as long as the agenda that the State was enforcing aligned with their beliefs.

It's been messed up for a very long time.

Occasionally there are glimmers of hope, like when Republicans last had the big three at once.

But then I learned they are the swamp oligarchy, too. Since then I've known I truly have zero representation.

Trump I like. And the royal oligarchy he wasn't part of hates him and that makes me smile.

Other than that I'm just a free range tax slave and nobody in government gives a damn about me. Neither do most voters. Mob rule sucks and rule of law is dead here.

But I feel alright today. 🖖

[Diamondback]

One of the problems that conservative movements seem to have is that they end up getting corrupted and off track really quickly. Movements that start out well end up a few different ways that kill them 1) They go ultra-Christian moralist and dedicate their efforts to things like overturning gay marriage, censoring text books that show human anatomy, etc. 2) They drift center and become RINO 3) They get infiltrated by the far right and actually become the Neo-Nazis the left accused them of being from the beginning.

The question is, how do you get a movement that isn't going to get sidetracked by stupid pet projects and keep actual far-right extremists out?

Missed one:
4) They become somebody's pet grift, like the various productions of Lincoln Project's Rick Wilson.