Who will take the lead?

[SteyrAUG]

Come on, I stay on this site because I want to hear what you guys have to say. If you don't think we have to worry, you can leave it at that. I'm not trying to insult anyone, I'm not naive enough to think that running into the street guns blazing is the answer and I'd actually like open mic night, if it was a person like those here that have been down this road. Toppling statues, changing definitions, cramming down on rights, limiting the citizens 2A, penalizing for simply disagreeing with the left, not enforcing laws, borders, etc using three letter agencies against political opponents and controlling the media are warning signs Steyr, I just don't want to bury my head in the sand only to wake up in 3 years,five years, ten years and find it's too late right?
Clearly, I don't have the definitive answer but this sure looks like stuff I've seen before and it never ended well.

I've already given as clear an answer is capable without getting into attempts to divine the future with a Magic 8 ball. Beyond that it's all speculation and hysteria.

Also I don't think anyone is going to post a "How I will PERSONALLY restore the nation" manifesto.

[OH58D]

What I want to hear and what I want to see is that when these people that simply want to tear everything down start showing even an inkling to be somewhere, I want to know that when I go there first to show that not everyone wants that, I want to have those that don't want stuff torn down to be there too. Sitting around on our keyboards is great but so far that hasn't slowed down the statues being torn down, stores being destroyed, streets being painted with the name of what should in all reality be considered to be a terrorist group, they fit the definition at this point. What I want is to not see another person, whether they are known to me or not, get terrorized because they committed the crime of being out in their car and somehow became a target of opportunity for these jackwagons. I don't want to see another man get beat down in Macy's because he's white and no one cares, I don't want to see another 90 year old woman knocked to the ground because she's white and it's okay, I don't want to see any of this being excused by our politicians/media/LE as "protesters being protesters," that's what I want to see.

If that's expecting too much at this point and makes me irrational, then you know what, I'm okay with that. I'm not looking for anyone's "aproval" or for anyone here to stand up for me, I'm looking for people to stand up, period. ESPECIALLY, people like yourself that have served and understand that no one wants to jump in with guns blazing and commit the same crimes that I'm trying to call out and have stopped. I can't imagine I'm in the minority on this but other than seeing how mad about it people are on the internet, I'm not seeing anyone doing much of anything about it and that bothers me; a lot. I will certainly not look to you or anyone else for your approval of how I feel or see things, but I do have an opinion and that opinion is a very strong one that "we" have let this go waay too far for waaaaay too long at this point and the law needs to be applied. Whether or not it hurts people's little snowflake feelings or makes black leftists matters' leaders unhappy that America wants to stay America should be irrelevant. I want LE to enforce the law. I want judges to judge these actions based on the law and legislation that covers this sort of criminal behavior to be enforced.

I don't know how old you are, but you will find in life that the world doesn't revolve around what you or I want. Life is about surviving, making a living, thriving if possible and taking care of those closest around you. Unlike the professional agitators or elites who don't have to work, we don't have time to engage in revolution until it smacks us in the face. Until then, everything will be festering in different spots all around the US.

I do have a little more flexibility with my time, because I work very early in the morning, many times late at night, with varying times of no work in between. Out here, it's work until you can't and other times there's nothing to do. That's when I post here. Yesterday I had a four mile ride in one direction to chase some cows to a different grazing area, but I opted to trailer the horse behind the truck and drive those miles. When you're the boss, you can be lazy.

Recently in New Mexico we had protests (and a shooting) over a statue called "La Jornada" featuring Conquistador Juan de Oñate. This statue dates from 2004 and was on City of Albuquerque property. This dude was a brutal Colonial Governor of Spain and in 1599 he murdered @ 800 Acoma Pueblo Indians, and then cut off the foot of around 500 men over the age of 21. He was an asshole and was so bad that Spanish King Phillip had him recalled in 1614.

Protesters wanted it taken down, but this has been going on since 2004, so nothing new. I have no dog in the hunt regarding that statue and the protests finally forced the City of Albuquerque to remove the Oñate part of the statue. If it stayed or was taken down, it was of no concern to me. My male ancestor arrived here 7 years after Oñate's recall to Spain.

[jpmuscle]

Well it's gone anti Christian now.
They want to pull down Jesus from monuments and Church's, stained glass windows too.

Almost like that was a check point along the route all along.




Nothing is going to change the trajectory we’re on unfortunately. The Marxist genie is out of the bottle. Short of some 9/11 level and both VERY public indiscriminately violent event where a lot of people die, thus showing the country and the world what these folks are all about the majority of the country will sit tight and collectively feel guilty about their American exceptionalism and privilege.

Rolling back toxic progressive social justice “reforms” and culturally destructive policies is not going to happen. A significant portion if not an outright majority of Americans already seem to believe lawful self defense in the face of targets violence’s wrong so legislation will inevitably reflect this rationale someday so the 2A isn’t going to be our savior either.


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[sgtrock82]

Commsec is a huge issue. Use to be picking up the phone and talking to someone was pretty free from worry about interception or listening. Not so in the digital era, the expectation of actual private comms has dropped to near zero. The people who own these networks are not on our side, so the other side probably has pretty free reign in the comms dept. At least as far as the average joe is concerned.

The FBI sent out 15 agent to investigate a garage door pull rope... how many will be sent out to investigate potential "rebel" chatter



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[Arik]

Sadly yes they have

My kids were/are homeschooled my daughter in a good private Christian college

I refuse to go to movies can wait to see for free online if I want
Refuse to shop at certain places etc.... but few do this they talk but no action
Folks should boycott all sports cancel all cable quit supporting stores that bend the knee etc... but they don’t and wont a few do they are mocked instead ?

So we (wife and I) have done what we can as many of our friends have sometimes you can only do so much

If everyone homeschooled ? Instead I hear excuses
Everyone boycotted all movies sports instead excuses

We are still way to comfy IMHO

I used to live in Honduras and LaCeiba or San Pedro Sula or Tegucigalpa will make you realize what tough life violence really is when you see the insanity of bario 18 or ms13 first hand watch folks get butchered with machetes or just walked up to and POP and you step around bodies and pools of blood and still that city keeps going and still some won’t can’t fight back


Again does your store have food do you have water are your loved ones being kidnapped raped murdered

Last week I went in to Costco no shortage of any food no fear for my life gas is cheap went to gun shop bought a pistol I wanted got some new shoes made a nice dinner played some video games etc... our country is not Honduras yet hope it never is been there done that
upside I know what I am capable of and tested real world

yeah it’s strange times so start get a group and homeschool cancel all cable and sports and avoid stores that alone would shake things up
I do what I can
But not ready to start killing folks life is still really good

People need to push back first in other ways
Every single American conservative gun owner canceled cable canceled amazon prime quit going to the movies quit all sports watching quit shopping at Walmart and target and pulled their kids and homeschooled the shockwave would be insane and those companies would get hurt really bad and policies would shift
But they won’t instead excuses

Anything else to quit? The mortgage company? How about the supermarket? The job?

[yoni]

I have been in civil wars and I don't want to see one in the USA.

I do know, that we will have a civil war, or we will lose the country to Marxist. If that happens, then we will all have plenty of time to ponder in the reeducation camp.

I have no need to get arrested, so I will do nothing beyond donate money to some conservatives running for office.

[BoringGuy45]

This whole "it doesn't effect me directly" thing reminds me of a poem by some priest in Germany... some Niemöller guy. A nevermind, I can get a case of beer and Hulu has every season of the X-files....

This is why we will lose, because it's always "not time yet"

"Always 'not time yet'" doesn't mean the time won't come. It just hasn't come yet. Things are volatile right now no doubt, but we still have functioning governments at the local, state, and national level. The majority of the country is safe from the madness for now; get further than ten miles from a big city and things are pretty quiet overall. The fact is, right now we still have other options left, and we still have a lot left to lose. If we act too soon, it will be disastrous. We'll know when the time is right.

[friendo]

Commsec is a huge issue. Use to be picking up the phone and talking to someone was pretty free from worry about interception or listening. Not so in the digital era, the expectation of actual private comms has dropped to near zero. The people who own these networks are not on our side, so the other side probably has pretty free reign in the comms dept. At least as far as the average joe is concerned.

The FBI sent out 15 agent to investigate a garage door pull rope... how many will be sent out to investigate potential "rebel" chatter



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Who's the "rebel" here? Are the rebels or treasonous commies now calling the American patriots rebels?

This Marxism is equivalent to the Corona virus. You don't know who is a carrier; the dingbat sister who's a high school English teacher that was always a tattle-tail b*tch growing up, the doctor that keeps asking you if you own any guns, the lawyer buddy you thought you knew with the Hillary sign in his garage. This sh*t is everywhere.

As far as the FBI and CIA's involvement with the Left and Antifa, here's a good article: https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https...p53NSgu3Wikx5j

[StovePipe_Jammer]

"Always 'not time yet'" doesn't mean the time won't come. It just hasn't come yet. Things are volatile right now no doubt, but we still have functioning governments at the local, state, and national level. The majority of the country is safe from the madness for now; get further than ten miles from a big city and things are pretty quiet overall. The fact is, right now we still have other options left, and we still have a lot left to lose. If we act too soon, it will be disastrous. We'll know when the time is right.

The governments on different levels are slowly changing. California is apparently trying to strike-through the section in their constitution that ensures they can't discriminate. The idea is to get it onto the ballot with the title having to do with "affirmative action", but it actually does nothing but eliminate the anti-discrimination clause. Granted, it's still in the works but if they are successful as it's currently written, it will actually allow discrimination from the state level on down with a guaranteed progressive twist to it.

I agree that we have other options left. But those can dwindle rapidly depending on how November goes. A big loss in Nov and their BS can be made to apply everywhere, not just in the big cities. With a sympathetic SCOTUS of their choosing, their wildest ideas could be deemed legal as well.

[sgtrock82]

Who's the "rebel" here? Are the rebels or treasonous commies now calling the American patriots rebels?

This Marxism is equivalent to the Corona virus. You don't know who is a carrier; the dingbat sister who's a high school English teacher that was always a tattle-tail b*tch growing up, the doctor that keeps asking you if you own any guns, the lawyer buddy you thought you knew with the Hillary sign in his garage. This sh*t is everywhere.

As far as the FBI and CIA's involvement with the Left and Antifa, here's a good article: https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https...p53NSgu3Wikx5j

I see it as a label and not a title
If they (FBI in my given scenario) come down from their gilded towers to quash us, (because they are clearly not quashing them) then we likely become the "rebels". If we win though, we'll end up calling the left the rebels....again lol

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