Remington headed for Chapter 11?

[OH58D]

I have a lot of contact with Navajo Tribal members, and have spent a lot of time on that US Largest land area Reservation. Navajos generally are not good at business. Their casinos are run by outside White outfits, and Navajos are put in positions of "leadership" that prevents them from screwing things up. There's also a lot of corruption in tribal government.

If the Navajo Tribe gets control of Remington, that company is toast.

[Coal Dragger]

Remington is already toast.

At this point it’s no great loss.

For hunters there are a plethora of good rifles, shotguns, and handguns on the market from competing companies many of them US made.

For precision shooters, competitive shooters and others in various accuracy disciplines there are far far better actions and rifles available and preferred over the old 700. Almost exclusively US made with a few exceptions like SAKO/Tikka, Howa, and Accuracy International.

For duty users, self defense buyers, and other “tactical” markets Remington has not been a valuable source or major player since maybe WWII. Again no big loss.

For the past 20+ years Remington has been focused on pumping out crap on the back of their brand recognition. A common business plan when a company loses its way and hires shitters like Tommy Milner and other CEO’s with no interest in the products or customers beyond how much profit there is to be made. The plan is always cut costs, sell off assets, get rid of experienced employees, and lower operating ratios. All to see how much the value of the stock can be boosted before spinning the gutted company off to a new owner before the consumers catch on to just how consistently shitty the products and services have become.

[Slater]

A far as the legendary 870 shotgun, the Chinese make a pretty fair copy

[Straight Shooter]

I have a lot of contact with Navajo Tribal members, and have spent a lot of time on that US Largest land area Reservation. Navajos generally are not good at business. Their casinos are run by outside White outfits, and Navajos are put in positions of "leadership" that prevents them from screwing things up. There's also a lot of corruption in tribal government.

If the Navajo Tribe gets control of Remington, that company is toast.

Brother- its BEEN toast. I live & work here in Huntsville AL where the factory is located. I work with people who woked there before.
Ive posted some stories here in the past- crazy, nightmarishly bad parts, lack of safety..a woman on the toilet in the plant had a rifle round hit the wall about a foot above her head...and just crap, crap crap.
I wont/dont allow ANYTHING Remington in my home, guns,ammo,gear...NOTHING. The old guns-they are GREAT. But the crap theyve made since 2007 or so? NO THANKS.
The QUICKER that company dies- the better off the gun industry will be.
Oh- I forgot: And PISS on the "tribes" too.

[Slater]

Sounds pretty bad, and I've heard the QC horror stories for quite a while now.

Out of curiosity, has anyone purchased a Remington firearm in, say, the last couple years that they've had no QC issues with? (If I may be so bold).

[Vandal]

I recently picked up a Mossberg 590A1 instead of a second 870. I'd love to get a used 870 Police Magnum someday, but there are other things to handle first.

Right now you can build from aftermarket parts a Remington 700 that is superior to the rifle that comes from the factory for similar money. Currently, Remington does not make anything I'd buy from them. Shotguns, bolt action rifles, handguns, ammo. My needs for those are all filled elsewhere by companies with a better reputation other than "We're Remington". I feel for those who will lose their jobs once that ship finally sinks though.

[Jellybean]

Of all people, why in the hell would the Navajo be anti gun?

Same reason a lot of Jews and blacks are...

A far as the legendary 870 shotgun, the Chinese make a pretty fair copy

Personally I hope that this means the Gen-yoo-wine 870 E's will go the way of recent Colt 6920s and suddenly become worth a small fortune... Finally I could get rid of this POS without taking a loss.

[Slater]

The major knocks I've heard against the 870 Express are rough chambers and a finish that rusts easily.

[26 Inf]

The major knocks I've heard against the 870 Express are rough chambers and a finish that rusts easily.

The chambers are easily polished - something Remington should have done.

I think the problem was that they were being made for several years with minimum finish on the chamber and bores before the cheap budget pack shells were introduced/became popular.

It shouldn't have been a problem in any event, Remington should have finished the chambers to a higher standard, even on their beater Express line.

I've known a couple of diehard Remington blood flows in my veins folks that had worked for Remington all their lives. I'll be sorry for them if the brand dies, they had nothing to do with management fvcktardery.