First off; I didn't read any of this thread.
At my job in the Force I was required to carry at least 1 less than lethal. I could pick ASP, taser, or OC.
By the end of my 4 years; you couldn't PAY me to carry anything other than an ASP. OC spray isn't very effective against pissed of dudes like you would want. Taser can have battery issues, or straight up miss. An ASP is full on mid evil reliable and has unlimited ammo and requires no reloads. Even if the ASP fails to deploy, you can still **** up someone. Just deploying it changes peoples mind.
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Understood, but limiting hyperbole helps. Force is "deadly" and stuff is a "deadly weapon" when it meets the statutory criteria thereof, or it is employed as such.
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You're melding some concepts and I get what you're saying, but there absolutely is a scale, progression, and continuum of force possibilities for everyone. The concept of objectively reasonable in Graham that you use on the job is found in Branca's self defense pillars of reasonableness and proportionality. (Visit: lawofselfdefense.com)
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As a private citizen I don't want to touch them with a 10 foot pole. Appearances, terrible. Size to carry, terrible. Use: If you hit the wrong body part it is absolutely lethal force. If you hit the 'right' body part it still may be considered lethal force depending on jurisdiction and your official documented training history. It just seems like a lose-lose-lose
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Lethal: Firearm
Non/less: OC, empty hand
Opening my sweet Amazon packages or defeating child toy packaging: Folding knife
Though this all goes without saying that as a private citizen, the day (and especially night) are ruled by avoidance, deescalation, and disengagement first and foremost in almost all situations
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