Originally Posted by
Grand58742
History was a guide. Nobody has ever "won" in Afghanistan and pacified that country. Largely (IMO) because the population is so regionalized and tribalized it's hard to pacify the whole country. Basically, you make a deal with one tribe/family and you piss off another.
I disagree on the Russians partially, namely on the "firmly" comment. I think the Afghans were going to fight with whatever they had available. I mean, they started the fighting with Enfields and Martini-Henry rifles on horseback fighting against mechanized troops. The Russians may very well have stayed, but the casualty rates still would have been high and international condemnation would have set in eventually. But just like we are doing, the Soviets controlled the cities, the Afghans controlled the country where most of the fighting took place.
Remember Tito.
The Balkans were the flashpoint for WWI, then after WWII they got Tito and he brought every single person to heel. Then Tito died, the wall came down and Yugoslavia came apart at the seams and restarted divisions that were a hundred years old.
It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.
Chuck, we miss ya man.
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