Building your stockpiles... ratios of Serious to Training to "Specialty" rounds?

[Diamondback]

Didn't see anything about this so maybe my Google-Fu is weak today, but I'm at standing start planning/building my ammo dump and trying to get up to speed.

If we assume a basic "building block" for any given caliber is a thousand rounds of a Serious Work load, how many "training rounds" do you keep in your stockpile relative to that thousand? Also, if you keep stocks of "special purpose" rounds like Mk 262 alongside your "main load," what all roles do you keep the specialists for and how many of each?

As a start, I was thinking something like 250x each Mk 262 for long-range SHTF and M855 (only "maybe" on the M855, not sure if it's even worth having), 1000x each of FBIT3/SBCT3 or 64gr Fusion/Gold Dot and a "training counterpart." Any other special roles I need to consider, or suggestions to revise this ratio?

[FightinQ]

With this panic going on, buy what you can when you can as it's worse than any other panic combined.

But for suggestions, anything you would consider to be war stock, I would get into 30 cal cans. Easier to if packing up for the high ground in your escape vehicle to the mountains. both 9 and 45 get really heavy in a 50. Training stock and SHTF overflow that's not part of what you're arming yourself with the contingency plans, 50 cal and either Mk19 or 20mm cans.

I have exact numbers of what will fit into each if you're interested.

[Diamondback]

Excellent point, though mainly what I was trying to work out was the ratio of load types within a specific given caliber. That kind of info would be useful to have, especially since I'm not only trying to build up my own reserves but also to write up a how-to for friends and former readers of my old column who are even LESS started down the path than I am.

That's another good question: What ratio would you set between "Fight" (.50-packed, stay-on-site) and "Flight" (grab-load-and-go) stocks? My gut would be to have Fight equal or less than Flight so it's less of an anchor dragging you to stay in a "Time to GO!" situation, but here again that's just a n00b pulling something out of his ass as an example and trying to refine by error-correction. Also, what's a good suggested split between bulk/loose, clip-loaded and ready-to-rumble in mags? (Again, n00b gut was thinking half bulk, quarter in strippers and quarter in mags as a starting spitball.) Looking for not just a "what people do," but a "why they do what they do" too, since there probably can't really be a One Size Fits All to cover such diverse needs as urban apartment dweller vs rural homesteader, and so forth.

[joedirt199]

depends on how much you want to shoot. Have buddies who go through cases in a few months with all the matches they go to. Could always start a dry fire regiment to save on the training ammo and stock up on more serious ammo. I got a few 3000 count bullet purchases in before the shortage and have plenty of powder to load up for matches and post election shutdown ammo.

[FightinQ]

Pick any caliber that you plan on using, primary and secondary and focus on just those two. Now that we made the focus pertinent...Let's say I consume a case per year just in training, zeroing, etc., then I would make sure to have two cases just in case my usage goes up, and 10 cases for a five year plan of stock in case things need time to catch up. Remember, this is worse than all scares combined, and 2013 took a few more years before things were starting to be back to normal.

Decide what your primary round will be, and that's what you bulk up on.

I specifically have one 30 cal can of 147 HST's and one 30 cal can of 77 SMK's (1,100 9x19 & 700 Mk262) that are my two cans to pick up if there's no time. In the Mk262 can, are three stripper clip speed loaders. I have a go bag with a pistol belt with all the trimmings (mag pouches, IFAK, holster, admin pouch, etc) and bandoleers with already loaded mags to sustain the battle belt. I won't even go into the other go bag of non fighting survival gear as it's neither here nor there. But if you are interested in talking about it, I suggest a class on this subject from SGM Mike Glover over at Fieldcraft Survival.

He talks about a lot of what you are seeking for in information. Here's his YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcj...XIPNj7QIBKTIDw

[PracticalRifleman]

I think you’ve got to be honest with yourself. Are you seriously thinking you’re going to be firing thousands of rounds in some kind of war? Do you think you’re going to shoot thousands of windshields at some point?

Are you part of a team of pipe hitters that is planning some form of raids on a regular basis?

The reality is in some crazy scenario, you’re not going to survive more than a few fights on your own, if you ever even see one.

Skills trump stockpiles. Spend your money shooting.


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[m1a_scoutguy]

Your timing couldn't be any worse sad to say, LOL !! If you already have a decent stash then good, separate it and use each item as needed. Trying to "build" up and stockpile ammo in the current climate is gonna be a tough & a very expensive undertaking ! I guess if you look hard maybe find some deals and jump when items come back in stock you will be able to get what ya need/desire. While Gold Dots, Mk 262,M855,are nice to have, just remember one important FACT, millions of Soldiers have died from FMJ ammo ! So if thats all ya got, I don't think I would loose any sleep over it.

[Diamondback]

Your timing couldn't be any worse sad to say, LOL !! If you already have a decent stash then good, separate it and use each item as needed. Trying to "build" up and stockpile ammo in the current climate is gonna be a tough & a very expensive undertaking ! I guess if you look hard maybe find some deals and jump when items come back in stock you will be able to get what ya need/desire. While Gold Dots, Mk 262,M855,are nice to have, just remember one important FACT, millions of Soldiers have died from FMJ ammo ! So if thats all ya got, I don't think I would loose any sleep over it.

Right, at this point I'm trying to roadmap. If I have to use M855 I will, if I have to use M193 I will, and I highly doubt BG is gonna say "he ONLY shot me with a .223 Core-Lokt!"... the thinking is draw up a framework to work toward as the opportunity presents itself--no way in Hell am I putting the ball all the way to the uprights from the 95-yard line, this is a game of putting whatever yardage on the field I can whenever the opportunity presents itself.

[markm]

I think you’ve got to be honest with yourself. Are you seriously thinking you’re going to be firing thousands of rounds in some kind of war? Do you think you’re going to shoot thousands of windshields at some point?

Are you part of a team of pipe hitters that is planning some form of raids on a regular basis?

The reality is in some crazy scenario, you’re not going to survive more than a few fights on your own, if you ever even see one.

Skills trump stockpiles. Spend your money shooting.

Although you make a good, real world point. I'd never be sitting around with less than 5k in rifle ammo with an ability to load at least another 5-10 thousand for regular shooting.

I remember a previous panic where the only guys shooting at a busy weekend shooting spot were Pappabear and I. Why? Because we stacked it deep and didn't have to ration a small inventory.

[ST911]

Who do I need to arm?
For what?
With what quantity of basic load?
With what expected resupply needs?
With what expected supply chain?

Who do I need to train?
For what?
To what level of proficiency?
In what period of time?
With what available resources?
With what expected resupply needs?
With what expected supply chain?