Couple in MO being held as 2A heroes...

[Diamondback]

This.

I love whole "But they're not on 'our side' so they don't deserve our support" asshattery abounding here.
This case is going to set precedent for the future; why the hell do you think they're pressing so hard on it?

Bluntly, this is why we keep getting rings run around us by the leftists; this is something I see constantly by "our side" when it comes to other 'issues' like the 1A and free speech. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard someone say they're ok with literal communists marching in the streets and spewing vile shit online because they 'deserve an opinion', and then flip over and condone "hateful" people being de-platformed, and are terrified lest some of them show up at a "good guy" rally or some other event and "make them look bad". It's ridiculous.

Either all lawful citizens of the US have the same rights, in which case one group’s political/social beliefs about another do not matter as long as they support those same constitutional rights, OR we join the left in agreeing that some people shouldn’t have access to their constitutional rights based on political or religious belief, in which case, line up, you’re next…until we figure this out, random outliers from various outlier groups will continue to be used against us to restrict our rights.

[snip]

I actually wrote a piece about this two years ago... the Left likes to pick vile, odious individuals as Test Cases knowing that we'll either join the Angry Mob or at least step aside for it. Precisely as they did with the Unpersoning of Alex Jones...
https://www.redstate.com/diary/diamo...ng-alex-jones/

[PracticalRifleman]

I think it’s time for 300 people to head to the prosecutors house alas NFAC style.


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[AndyLate]

This.

I love whole "But they're not on 'our side' so they don't deserve our support" asshattery abounding here.
This case is going to set precedent for the future; why the hell do you think they're pressing so hard on it?

Bluntly, this is why we keep getting rings run around us by the leftists; this is something I see constantly by "our side" when it comes to other 'issues' like the 1A and free speech. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard someone say they're ok with literal communists marching in the streets and spewing vile shit online because they 'deserve an opinion', and then flip over and condone "hateful" people being de-platformed, and are terrified lest some of them show up at a "good guy" rally or some other event and "make them look bad". It's ridiculous.

Either all lawful citizens of the US have the same rights, in which case one group’s political/social beliefs about another do not matter as long as they support those same constitutional rights, OR we join the left in agreeing that some people shouldn’t have access to their constitutional rights based on political or religious belief, in which case, line up, you’re next…until we figure this out, random outliers from various outlier groups will continue to be used against us to restrict our rights.

Same with this, we've allowed this to devolve from a "national conversation" about the meaning of their actions, into "lol they're noobs" or "boo, they're not one of us".
Yeah, sure maybe they'll get a good dose of their own medicine and grow a brain cell. Maybe not. Who cares. That's the same sort of "ha, you're getting yours now aren't you" shit-tier thinking the left is pushing every day in their push to rule the world.



Yeah, maybe they're scum.
But right now, IT_DOESN'T_MATTER
They either have the same rights, or they don't. Pick one.

I did not see one person in this thread say they don't have rights, or defending their property was wrong.

I am glad the DA picked a pair of wealthy lawyers to falsely prosecute. Why? Because they can afford to fight and to fight is to win. The DA is a fool and the charges are idiotic. St Louis will end up settling with them in the lawsuit that follows and that settlement will pay for both their legal fees and their inconvenience. There is no way a blue collar couple could hope for the same outcome.

Andy

[elephant]

I think it’s time for 300 people to head to the prosecutors house alas NFAC style.

Just show up? And then what?

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Just show up? And then what?

Tickle fight?

Sing the national anthem?

Selected readings from Ronald Reagan.

Chant MAGA.

[Belmont31R]

This.

I love whole "But they're not on 'our side' so they don't deserve our support" asshattery abounding here.
This case is going to set precedent for the future; why the hell do you think they're pressing so hard on it?

Bluntly, this is why we keep getting rings run around us by the leftists; this is something I see constantly by "our side" when it comes to other 'issues' like the 1A and free speech. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard someone say they're ok with literal communists marching in the streets and spewing vile shit online because they 'deserve an opinion', and then flip over and condone "hateful" people being de-platformed, and are terrified lest some of them show up at a "good guy" rally or some other event and "make them look bad". It's ridiculous.

Either all lawful citizens of the US have the same rights, in which case one group’s political/social beliefs about another do not matter as long as they support those same constitutional rights, OR we join the left in agreeing that some people shouldn’t have access to their constitutional rights based on political or religious belief, in which case, line up, you’re next…until we figure this out, random outliers from various outlier groups will continue to be used against us to restrict our rights.

Same with this, we've allowed this to devolve from a "national conversation" about the meaning of their actions, into "lol they're noobs" or "boo, they're not one of us".
Yeah, sure maybe they'll get a good dose of their own medicine and grow a brain cell. Maybe not. Who cares. That's the same sort of "ha, you're getting yours now aren't you" shit-tier thinking the left is pushing every day in their push to rule the world.



Yeah, maybe they're scum.
But right now, IT_DOESN'T_MATTER
They either have the same rights, or they don't. Pick one.

First off I have no beef with people protesting. Go do your thing whatever that is.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Bold is mine.

Key word here is PEACEABLY.

That does not include spray painting other's property, defacing public property, making physical threats, tearing down statues, and/or assaulting people.

Further, the country was setup around a Judeo-Christian people, for whom the founders recognized.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." ~ John Adams

So the whole idea of all kinds of 'others' running wild with our rights to subvert the system is not within the framework of our society. This is why most other countries operate on totalitarian systems.

As for 'sticking up for other people' I'd turn that around and ask them when they are going to stand up for our values. Let me know when 2A protests or Tea Party type protests get any outside support. **** sticking my neck out for people who want to see me imprisoned or charged with a crime myself. A lot of these big cities vote leftist at an 80% or greater rate. At a certain point you just have to shake your head and realize there's consequences to the big city life. These lawyer people made a **** ton of money in the big city, and now they get to the deal with the consequences of a big city Soros DA.

I've personally chosen to live where Sorus and big city money isn't a personal influence on my life but that also means lower economic opportunity and I don't see anyone giving a **** about suburban and rural issues. This all started where the radical left were in charge of the city and state. Their DA is a dude who posted a picture of himself with an Antifa handbook.

'Not sticking up for rights of others' as a path to the left winning is pure lunacy when the radical left identified our openness and rights as a soft spot to exploit and use against us 8 decades ago. Go look up Gramsci's writings and Alinsky's 'Rules for Radicals'. Going out of your way to support people who ultimately want to see you jailed or killed isn't something I'm going to do, and when they get rolled up the system they supported WTF do you expect?

Communism should be illegal under Sedition and Treason laws. Communism, like radical Islamic beliefs, require the subversion and other throw of the current system of government. Despite the nature of founding, being revolutionary itself, there still has to be some legal protections in place to protect this government while we still have voting and the system works as the law states the system should. These people are international with the influence coming in from outside actors. If we had Nazi groups in 1941 attacking Federal buildings and doing what the US Antifa is doing right now they'd be hunted down in the streets and shot or captured and hung. People financially supporting DSA, CPUSA, WWP, Soros, et al should be facing Federal charges. 1A does not cover what's going on right now.

[Esq.]

True. I think some folks are conflating people and cases that attorneys are involved with and the personal life of attorneys.

I don't know these Trump and RNC supporters in St Louis... they may be horrible people, maybe not. That said, according the FEC they gave more money to Trump than I did in 2016, and they successfully defended their lives and property against an angry mob of hundreds which is one more angry mob than I have had to defend against. Beyond that, I'll defer to others who personally known them, and those experienced with singlehandedly fending off storming angry mobs. Anyone?

You didn't go back very far in their FEC history. For many, many years they wrote sizeable checks to the Carnahans. Does that name ring any bells? It should becaise they vetoed Missouri CHLs twice.

Their anti gun record was so scorched earth there was a book written about it--Show down in the Show me State. Ever read Unintended Consequences? The antagonist is a very thinly veiled Governor Carnahan.

So, what changed? The balance of political power. Missouri became a Republican state, so, time to buy some influence with the new game in town.....they are the very worst type of amoral scum.

[Esq.]

This.

I love whole "But they're not on 'our side' so they don't deserve our support" asshattery abounding here.
This case is going to set precedent for the future; why the hell do you think they're pressing so hard on it?

Bluntly, this is why we keep getting rings run around us by the leftists; this is something I see constantly by "our side" when it comes to other 'issues' like the 1A and free speech. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard someone say they're ok with literal communists marching in the streets and spewing vile shit online because they 'deserve an opinion', and then flip over and condone "hateful" people being de-platformed, and are terrified lest some of them show up at a "good guy" rally or some other event and "make them look bad". It's ridiculous.

Either all lawful citizens of the US have the same rights, in which case one groupÂ’s political/social beliefs about another do not matter as long as they support those same constitutional rights, OR we join the left in agreeing that some people shouldnÂ’t have access to their constitutional rights based on political or religious belief, in which case, line up, youÂ’re nextÂ…until we figure this out, random outliers from various outlier groups will continue to be used against us to restrict our rights.

Same with this, we've allowed this to devolve from a "national conversation" about the meaning of their actions, into "lol they're noobs" or "boo, they're not one of us".
Yeah, sure maybe they'll get a good dose of their own medicine and grow a brain cell. Maybe not. Who cares. That's the same sort of "ha, you're getting yours now aren't you" shit-tier thinking the left is pushing every day in their push to rule the world.



Yeah, maybe they're scum.
But right now, IT_DOESN'T_MATTER
They either have the same rights, or they don't. Pick one.

To me, they are nothing more than a tool to further our agenda . Ive said as much.

But i dont agree with the "We're all equal" crap line of thinking. You dont get to spend your whole life supporting people who diminish the rights of others and then talk about "My rights, My rights." You get the same rights you are willing to accord others, no more, no less.

[Esq.]

For those of you who cant get past the "Everyone has the same rights" let me explain how these folks can best support the Second Amendment.

Two, clear images--pictures worth thousand words blah, blah.

First, them defending their property with an evil black rifle and 100 round clipazine. They are unharmed. Second, disarmed by Liberal politicians....and raped to death by a mob they helped create on the lawn of their burning mansion with 100 million Whirlastar views.

Justice served and clear lesson imparted to the feeble minded.
That is how they can best serve our rights. Swear to God some of you would have cried at Trotskys funeral....

[Averageman]

I wish the President would show up that DA's door step and hustle her off to a meeting where he arrests the DA and pardons these two dummies.
Then does a MAGA back flip and drops in to some splits ala James Brown and starts singing "It's a Mans World."