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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    I don't know who this Michael B. Jordan is, never seen any of his movies, so I don't know if he would fit the character of Kelly/Clark. Maybe he can be the younger version of Admiral Greer. Maybe they can do better once the real movie production does get off the ground. And who would play a good nurse Sandy O'Toole, or Pam or Drs. Sam and Sarah Rosen?
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    Jordan was in Black Panther if you saw that. He is a talented actor.

    I was thinking for Doctor Dam Rosen, someone like Stanley Tucci or Bryan Cranston. Problem is, Rosen in the novel was overweight if memory serves.

    Sarah Rosen would be a tougher fill, but I was thinking maybe someone like Andie MacDowell?

    The problem with Sandy Clark nee' O'Toole is the fact she's never really described in detail in the novels. I would tend to think a "girl next door" type like Emma Stone or Daisy Ridley might be the best choice? Very subjective subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand58742 View Post
    You thought they would actually do something right?

    Hunt for Red October was adapted okay in my opinion. Patriot Games was an okay adaptation, but I wasn't fond of Harrison Ford. (I would have thought Alec Baldwin would have been better since it was a younger Jack Ryan in the book)

    Clear and Present Danger sucked royally. Not even going to get into what they did to Sum of All Fears since Hollywood caved into politically correct pressure and changed the villains. Having said that, Liev Schreiber had a very Clark-esque feel to him even though the ages didn't match.

    I had no expectations of a decent movie concerning Without Remorse. I'd dare say I'll watch it eventually when it becomes free on Netflix or Prime, but I'm not paying for it.
    I actually thought Patriot Games was an excellent movie, and it was in fact better than the book. I thought Harrison Ford was an excellent Jack Ryan too. Admittedly, Baldwin probably played his Ryan a bit closer to the source material; Ryan is supposed to be laid back, intellectual, and a bit introverted, but a bit more glib and sarcastic than Ford played him. Ford played him as stoic and almost silent, and never emotional unless others really pushed him. The book, however, like most of Clancy's works, was too long and too slow, and I thought the movie did well by cutting out a lot of unnecessary characters and scenes. I liked that they changed Sean Miller's motives for going after Ryan to one of a blood feud for killing Miller's brother; I also thought the ending was a lot better. The book ending was more realistic, but a bit anticlimactic compared to the movie's boat chase scene.

    I have no intention of seeing Without Remorse or Rainbow Six, as much as I love the games. R6 is no doubt going to change the ultra-environmentalist bad guys to American patriotic conservative Christians who want to wipe out black people, LGBTQ, and Muslims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoringGuy45 View Post
    I actually thought Patriot Games was an excellent movie, and it was in fact better than the book. I thought Harrison Ford was an excellent Jack Ryan too. Admittedly, Baldwin probably played his Ryan a bit closer to the source material; Ryan is supposed to be laid back, intellectual, and a bit introverted, but a bit more glib and sarcastic than Ford played him. Ford played him as stoic and almost silent, and never emotional unless others really pushed him. The book, however, like most of Clancy's works, was too long and too slow, and I thought the movie did well by cutting out a lot of unnecessary characters and scenes. I liked that they changed Sean Miller's motives for going after Ryan to one of a blood feud for killing Miller's brother; I also thought the ending was a lot better. The book ending was more realistic, but a bit anticlimactic compared to the movie's boat chase scene.

    I have no intention of seeing Without Remorse or Rainbow Six, as much as I love the games. R6 is no doubt going to change the ultra-environmentalist bad guys to American patriotic conservative Christians who want to wipe out black people, LGBTQ, and Muslims.
    I liked Patriot Games and the adaptation, but just felt for the continuity of the series it would have benefited a younger character like Hunt for Red October did. It was a fair adaptation and stayed with the spirit of the novel.

    I can understand and appreciate Clancy being a little too wordy in his earlier writings. I'm guilty of the same thing in my earlier works (I hobby write). I think every writer looks back at things they wrote starting out and says "Holy hell, I really SUCKED!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand58742 View Post
    To me, it's not as much BLM/Antifa/Whatever, it's more of what the the character is supposed to be as he goes through time in the Clancy novels. I assume you've read the other novels with Clark and knows he eventually becomes a premier CIA operative that's able to slip in and out of Russia/the Soviet Union at will during his time. Not easy for a black fella to do in the 70s and 80s.

    A lot of the background on him depends on race (sorry to say that) and Without Remorse is a time period piece, specifically set in Vietnam and Baltimore of the start of the drug crisis that sets up Kelly/Clark up for his life in the CIA. Just reading the details behind the "plot" (which are probably inaccurate), the movie adaptation will probably not be set in Vietnam. Frankly, call it something else if that's the case. Without Remorse is a great time period story.

    I have no problem with Jordan being the lead because of his race. I do have a problem with the studio taking an outstanding novel like Without Remorse and changing everything behind the plot as well as changing canon in the future novels. The studio seems to be setting it up to be even worse than the Jack Ryan series on Prime. Greer is not supposed to be a hateful a-hole to Ryan. He basically protects him, mentors him and sets him up for success. The Greer in Jack Ryan is everything the Jim Greer in the books is not. You won't ever get any better than James Earl Jones for that part IMO. (Morgan Freeman was good in Sum of All Fears as Cabot even though that movie sucked... of course, it's hard to find a role Freeman does that isn't good)
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    I read another one and seen the movies Hunt for Red October, Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger. Didn't really care about Red October but I enjoyed PG and CaPD. Scrawny Willem Defoe played Clark in CaPD, he doesn't fit the description of Clark/Kelly in Without Remorse. James Earl Jones's older version of Admiral Greer was enjoyable.

    I would hope that they base the movie closer to the book in the time period (Vietnam) since Kelly/Clark is younger and Jack Ryan was just entering the USMC at that time. His father was the detective Emmet Ryan.

    The novel described Sarah Rosen as short and chubby with messy hair Maybe Kathy Bates can be here.

    Sandy O'Toole was tall and attractive. I'm picturing Jennifer Garner.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam View Post
    Sandy O'Toole was tall and attractive. I'm picturing Jennifer Garner.
    I was thinking Sandy and Clark were probably in their late 20s at the most (again, not really discussed) so I was picturing a younger female.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grand58742 View Post
    I liked Patriot Games and the adaptation, but just felt for the continuity of the series it would have benefited a younger character like Hunt for Red October did. It was a fair adaptation and stayed with the spirit of the novel.
    Fair point. I think one thing the movie did well at least is somewhat portray the movie version as having taken place after Red October as opposed to Clancy's vision that it was chronologically before. But for continuity sake, the switch from Baldwin to Ford made it feel like the two movies weren't connected and that Patriot Games was more or less of a reboot of the Jack Ryan series rather than a continuation of the first movie.

    I can understand and appreciate Clancy being a little too wordy in his earlier writings. I'm guilty of the same thing in my earlier works (I hobby write). I think every writer looks back at things they wrote starting out and says "Holy hell, I really SUCKED!"
    Haha, same here! My early writings were the opposite though, as I didn't write enough detail. I look at some of the "military/action thrillers" I wrote when I was 19 and 20 years old, they were full of every faux pas a writer could ever make. My protagonists were always Mary Sue/Gary Stu types, the bad guys were over dramatic to the point of practically being Disney villains. Plus, my perspectives were that of...well, a 20 year old kid who was extremely naive and didn't have a clue of what he was talking about. And, when I read some of the romance/relationship aspects I wrote into my stories...wow, I needed a girlfriend, or at least to get laid!
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    I would love to see them do Red Storm Rising, either set in the period or updated. Not neutered like Red Dawn though.


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    I'd like to see Vince Flynn's Transfer of Power made into a movie. It's been long enough since Olympus has Fallen and White House Down to do another White House hostage situation movie. The book was excellent and a lot more realistic and believable than those movies. Hollywood would never make it for a number of reasons:

    -The president is a moderate, Blue Dog Democrat of high moral values and views that are more conservative than most Democrats or Republicans of today.

    -The Democratic Party is portrayed as what they are: Power hungry, arrogant, willfully ignorant cowards who hate this country.

    -The bad guys are Islamic terrorists who are fighting to wipe Israel and the U.S. off the map and form a worldwide Islamofascist caliphate. The terrorists are portrayed as brutal rapists and heartless murderers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoringGuy45 View Post
    I actually thought Patriot Games was an excellent movie, and it was in fact better than the book. I thought Harrison Ford was an excellent Jack Ryan too. Admittedly, Baldwin probably played his Ryan a bit closer to the source material; Ryan is supposed to be laid back, intellectual, and a bit introverted, but a bit more glib and sarcastic than Ford played him. Ford played him as stoic and almost silent, and never emotional unless others really pushed him. The book, however, like most of Clancy's works, was too long and too slow, and I thought the movie did well by cutting out a lot of unnecessary characters and scenes. I liked that they changed Sean Miller's motives for going after Ryan to one of a blood feud for killing Miller's brother; I also thought the ending was a lot better. The book ending was more realistic, but a bit anticlimactic compared to the movie's boat chase scene.

    I have no intention of seeing Without Remorse or Rainbow Six, as much as I love the games. R6 is no doubt going to change the ultra-environmentalist bad guys to American patriotic conservative Christians who want to wipe out black people, LGBTQ, and Muslims.
    I'm with you, I actually enjoyed Harrison Ford in both Patriot Games and Clear and Present Danger. I guess Baldwin played an acceptable Ryan in The Hunt for Red October but I think I'd have preferred Harrison Ford. And of course Afleck killed the franchise.
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    My vote for a remake;
    Leon the Professional.


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