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    My family converted from many hundreds of years of Catholicism to Protestantism in the early 20th Century. I consider myself a person of faith, and Churches will be off limits to looters and vandals.

    For centuries out here, the Catholic Church had various secret groups that did a lot of stuff in private, including protection for churches and the parishioners. One group was/is the Los Hermanos de la Fraternidad Piadosa de Nuestro Padre Jesús Nazareno, or Penitentes. This group builds little chapels in remote areas and at certain times of the year around moveable feast days, they would self-mutilate themselves as Christ was beaten. This group still exists and I know numerous of them. They also act as muscle or vigilantes to protect fellow Catholics and sacred structures.

    When a social organization of Catholics was created in the latter half of the 19th Century, it was called the Knights of Columbus. They are known as a charity group and for hosting bingo games in Church fellowship halls. But out here they have several groups which do the same work of protection as the Penitentes. Many Catholic Men in rural New Mexico are members of both groups.

    I also have numerous friends who are Evangelicals and some Pentecostals. If you want to start a religious backlash in America, target the Churches. I asked my Dad once about the Biblical mandate for turning the other cheek. He said do it, then beat the hell out of your adversary since the scripture is vague about the followup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OH58D View Post
    My family converted from many hundreds of years of Catholicism to Protestantism in the early 20th Century. I consider myself a person of faith, and Churches will be off limits to looters and vandals.

    For centuries out here, the Catholic Church had various secret groups that did a lot of stuff in private, including protection for churches and the parishioners. One group was/is the Los Hermanos de la Fraternidad Piadosa de Nuestro Padre Jesús Nazareno, or Penitentes. This group builds little chapels in remote areas and at certain times of the year around moveable feast days, they would self-mutilate themselves as Christ was beaten. This group still exists and I know numerous of them. They also act as muscle or vigilantes to protect fellow Catholics and sacred structures.

    When a social organization of Catholics was created in the latter half of the 19th Century, it was called the Knights of Columbus. They are known as a charity group and for hosting bingo games in Church fellowship halls. But out here they have several groups which do the same work of protection as the Penitentes. Many Catholic Men in rural New Mexico are members of both groups.

    I also have numerous friends who are Evangelicals and some Pentecostals. If you want to start a religious backlash in America, target the Churches. I asked my Dad once about the Biblical mandate for turning the other cheek. He said do it, then beat the hell out of your adversary since the scripture is vague about the followup.
    I moved to NM 10 years ago, and knew nothing of the heritage or traditions. My first trip south of Albuquerque was around Easter, and I was stunned by the number of people I saw walking along the highway. This was concentrated around Socorro, and I think people were walking as far north as Belen. For reference, that is a good 30+ minutes at 75mph. At first I thought it was a group of people walking to safety after their tour bus broke down. I then noticed many people were carry crosses or praying the rosary as they walked. As for self flagellation, I did not see any of that, but I honestly believe there were people with white garments with red stains on the back, as if they were flogged. My neighbor later told me marches of penitence happened all over the state, especially in northern New Mexico. This depth of history and culture is missed by the tourists who pop in for the Balloon Fiesta or other glossy brochure items. OH58D, I see this as proof to what you've mentioned about the ranchers, etc, keeping tight circles and staying true to themselves, irrespective of the transplanted Santa Fe elite and their politics.

    PS- I think your father's understanding of scripture needs to be passed along to every one, regardless of denomination. People will learn not to target those who stand their ground.
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    Imagine if two black churches had been burned in one weekend...

    The Jesuits run nice schools, but have tacked too far left lately. They were not to be trifled with in their day though and they were the original "The Company"... the CIA could only dream of their intelligence network. Lot's of 'dual purpose' groups out there.



    Turn the other cheek can mean let a-holes prove that they are a-holes.
    Turning shows that their shot wasn't very impactful.

    There is also that in old days, you'd use your poop hand to slap someone as a sign of dominance. IF you turn the other check they have to use their other hand to strike you, which makes you their equal.

    I'm hearing more and more the the idea that the opposites of winning and losing aren't correct. The opposites are peace. IE if you go for the 'win' and force the other guy to lose, that is detrimental to the long term peace. That kind of goes agains the Victor Davis Hanson model of western warfare of short, intense combat with clear outcomes- but I'd have to say that it syncs up better with the current world of continuous combat/opposition with no end in sight- especially if you are willing or able to put a final boot on someones throat like in WWII in Berlin or Hiroshima.

    I can kind of see a parallel to what a teacher said to me in an English class. Hate and love are not the opposite of each other. In the middle is indifference. At least for mentally healthy people. I do think that is something the BLM doesn't understand. They are so narcissistic that they think that everyone is out to hate them- and you'd better sound off that you love them. In reality 90% of people don't care about black people- don't even think about them, don't actively plan on how to screw them over. We are indifferent, and being ignored is a real problem for a lot of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Co-gnARR View Post
    I moved to NM 10 years ago, and knew nothing of the heritage or traditions. My first trip south of Albuquerque was around Easter, and I was stunned by the number of people I saw walking along the highway. This was concentrated around Socorro, and I think people were walking as far north as Belen. For reference, that is a good 30+ minutes at 75mph. At first I thought it was a group of people walking to safety after their tour bus broke down. I then noticed many people were carry crosses or praying the rosary as they walked. As for self flagellation, I did not see any of that, but I honestly believe there were people with white garments with red stains on the back, as if they were flogged. My neighbor later told me marches of penitence happened all over the state, especially in northern New Mexico. This depth of history and culture is missed by the tourists who pop in for the Balloon Fiesta or other glossy brochure items. OH58D, I see this as proof to what you've mentioned about the ranchers, etc, keeping tight circles and staying true to themselves, irrespective of the transplanted Santa Fe elite and their politics.

    PS- I think your father's understanding of scripture needs to be passed along to every one, regardless of denomination. People will learn not to target those who stand their ground.
    What you probably saw were Easter marchers heading to a little community on the east side of the Rio Grande southeast from Los Lunas. It's called Tome', and they climb to the top of a little hill called El Cerro de Tomé, or just Tome' Hill. Back in the Territorial Days and even before US government took over, you'd always have a rough element of gunfighters and bandits. However, it was off limits to conduct your evil on a Church's holy ground. Even gunmen on the run would stop into a rural mission church, cross themselves when entering and hang their guns in the back to pray the rosary while kneeling at the altar.

    These traditions are still strong here. I'd defend a Catholic Church here with the same zeal I would for a Southern Baptist House of God.
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    I am an orthodox Jew and I will defend churches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoni View Post
    I am an orthodox Jew and I will defend churches.
    Yoni, FYI your inbox is full....

    I worked for a Jewish Temple when I was a college student, albeit Reformed Jews. They treated this Gentile well. I also had a husband and wife as neighbors who were Auschwitz survivors. Living in Tucson between 1978 and 1982 was my first contact with American Jews. I'd defend a Synagogue/Temple as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OH58D View Post
    Yoni, FYI your inbox is full....

    I worked for a Jewish Temple when I was a college student, albeit Reformed Jews. They treated this Gentile well. I also had a husband and wife as neighbors who were Auschwitz survivors. Living in Tucson between 1978 and 1982 was my first contact with American Jews. I'd defend a Synagogue/Temple as well.
    I don't have the skills, but if I lived in an actual community that actually helped other members rather than just an "accident of co-location," I would join a team to stand watch over our Houses of Worship too, no matter the faith--to watch over others as I'd hope for them to watch over me and mine in return; in the end, against these wannabe Jacobins we're all in this together no matter what tongue we commune with our Creator in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OH58D View Post
    Yoni, FYI your inbox is full....
    Has space now.

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    Well, besides the Fla church attack, it looks like other churches and Christian statues have been the next target for the Burn Loot Murder crowds. I guess it's time for members to start posting up armed guards at their church:

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/church-fi...-investigation
    Last edited by teufelhund1918; 07-13-20 at 12:11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teufelhund1918 View Post
    Well, besides the Fla church attack, it looks like other churches and Christian statues have been the next target for the Burn Loot Murder crowds. I guess it's time for members to start posting up armed guards at their church:

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/church-fi...-investigation
    If I remember correctly, a fire intentionally set in any place of worship is supposed to be investigated by the ATF. So even if they start going nuts about burning churches and whatnot, it won't (or at least shouldn't) be swept under by sympathetic local politicians.

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