Lets talk scenarios.

[elephant]

Watching the lawlessness and the destruction of our country in real time, i have a few questions:

Is this madness temporary or do you feel this is the new normal?
-The madness I'm referring to is the violent protesters, harassments and mobs imposing their agenda on us.

Chaz/Chop- whatever you want to call it: Is this a one time thing or do you see this happening in the future in more communities around the nation?

BLM: is it here to stay or will this movement die off eventually? Armed BLM/(NFAC) detaining cars and demanding reparations screaming "Black Power". This movement has gone from "peaceful" to full on guerilla warfare pretty quick.

Antifa: seems to me they are attracting more and more people. Especially after Hollywood offers to bail them out for protesting. Going after churches, tearing down statues, terrorizing our communities. Literally burning the place down. Where does it end, where do we draw the line? Surely we are not going to let a small group of emotionally unstable, non-binary liberal-ass, d*ckless c*cks*cking snowflakes continue this insurgency on our soil? Are we?

Where do we or where should we fit in all of this? Keep a low profile or should we react? How should we respond?

Looking down the road, what should we do? A St Louis homeowner protected his property against a mob, now has had his firearms taken and made public as if the media was telling the protesters that he is now defenseless and cant protect himself. Do we stick up for one another during these times? Do we need to be involved at all? Is it our problem?

Violent mobs are getting worse and even more violent. Do we sit back and watch or do we take a stand and push back?

This is new territory for all of us (im assuming) and i doubt many of us have seen this before. I don't think any of us can predict what will happen next or how much longer this will continue. I do know many of us can endure this up to a certain point, but where is that point?

What are your thoughts?

[SteyrAUG]

I remember during the 90s that Aryan Nations, Skinheads, Aryan Brotherhood, Christian Identity, WAR and the National Alliance were coming for us all and were going to take over the nation. A few groups like The Order actually did some real world damage and stole millions of dollars and dabbled in political assassination (Alan Berg). Their goal was to take over the entire Northwestern US (including Washington, ironic huh) and create a white "homeland."

They did it in earnest with "willing to die" dedication, some firepower well beyond the trailer park SKS rifle that can usually be found in the hands of idiots and enough focus on strategy and tactics that the FBI felt the need to burn down the Matthews crew in their cabin when the opportunity presented itself.

So yeah, what we are seeing is real. What we are seeing is dangerous. What we are seeing needs to be addressed in a serious manner. But that doesn't mean what we are seeing will still even exist in 10 years.

[PracticalRifleman]

I remember during the 90s that Aryan Nations, Skinheads, Aryan Brotherhood, Christian Identity, WAR and the National Alliance were coming for us all and were going to take over the nation. A few groups like The Order actually did some real world damage and stole millions of dollars and dabbled in political assassination (Alan Berg). Their goal was to take over the entire Northwestern US (including Washington, ironic huh) and create a white "homeland."

They did it in earnest with "willing to die" dedication, some firepower well beyond the trailer park SKS rifle that can usually be found in the hands of idiots and enough focus on strategy and tactics that the FBI felt the need to burn down the Matthews crew in their cabin when the opportunity presented itself.

So yeah, what we are seeing is real. What we are seeing is dangerous. What we are seeing needs to be addressed in a serious manner. But that doesn't mean what we are seeing will still even exist in 10 years.

We thought the March to socialism was dead when the wall fell, I guarantee you Marxism will still be alive in ten years. Maybe these particular Marxist groups won’t be the direct threat, well except for the democrat party which is growing, but their subscribers are many and our leaders’ gonads are small and few.


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[OH58D]

When you have a large number of politicians and most of the mainstream media against you, open and visible defense or offensive tactics seem to be a non-starter. If you have read my thoughts here over the years, I have always said that in the coming dark age, gun ownership and other activities will go underground - a new black market in a gun and related item economy. This is the defensive side. Just like Prohibition, evade, avoid and survive to await a better time.

The offensive side will need to operate in the shadows as well. This is the part that will be most unpalatable for many - targeted hits on many of the opposition, from all walks of life and role. Armed bubba militias are not going to be the key in all of this, but could be a front line distraction while the real work is being done behind the scenes. Just like ANTIFA uses legitimate protesters in the front, the real action is taking place at the back. You keep your enemy focusing in one direction while your real target is somewhere else. It's an ages old military tactic. The US did it WW2 in preps for the D-Day invasion.

[BrigandTwoFour]

The fundamental problem is that one side has been planning and agitating for their own marxist agenda since at least the 1920s. Even back then, they recognized that exploiting racial tensions was the best path to fraying social stability. At first, it would be racial protests and conflict, but inevitably escalate to marxist class warfare. They're organized, funded, and true believers have worked their way into key culture centers for decades (education, media, entertainment, etc.). They have a multi-generational agenda and they are sticking to it.

The other side (presumably our side) essentially wants to be left alone. They don't want anyone pushing an agenda on them, and they don't want to push an agenda on anyone else.

Which one has the initiative?

While there is a huge group stuck in the middle, they are relatively easy to influence via parliamentary revolution. This group will see proposals from the people they typically trust in academia, politics, and entertainment and also see the groundswell of "lower class" support for those proposals. While they would normally think such ideas were questionable or outright wrong, the person caught between the groups is more likely to go along with it because, "well...I might be wrong about this if it seems like such an important idea." We're seeing it play out right now with the rapid spread of critical race theory as the "norm."

Undoing this in the short turn simply isn't possible at this point. To go back to the classic Yuri Brezmenov interview, it's going to take at least two or three generations of concerted effort to teach youth the value of individualism, critical thought, and patriotism. I think this is one of the biggest reasons there's so much pushback against homeschooling right now: it breaks one of the key venues for leftist teaching of the youth.

In the meantime, the only way I see this going is to a logical end where they finally go for the power grab and create enough counter-revolutionaries in the process. The resistance against them won't be overt, as any kind of visible organization will be dealt with swiftly and harshly. Instead, it's going to be underground. I expect things to play out a bit like one of those Matt Bracken stories where hunters, competitive shooters, and people with nothing to lose pick up scoped rifles and begin applying pressure against the influence peddlers.

I know this sounds dark. Perhaps its just my mood this morning. I just don't see an easy way out of this.

[REDinFL]

I think going through scenarios in one's mind is a good idea. Think it through before the fact, so there will be little hesitation. Sure, some scenarios can be outlandish, and shouldn't clutter our minds, but there is a core of likelihoods that one can address internally. Minimizes the shock factor.

[markm]

Is this madness temporary or do you feel this is the new normal?

It's silly nonsense that's VERY isolated in context of the entire country's population. BUT propagandized up the ass via social media to influence Mongos who can't stop a red light without looking at their f#$king phone..

[ABNAK]

The fundamental problem is that one side has been planning and agitating for their own marxist agenda since at least the 1920s. Even back then, they recognized that exploiting racial tensions was the best path to fraying social stability. At first, it would be racial protests and conflict, but inevitably escalate to marxist class warfare. They're organized, funded, and true believers have worked their way into key culture centers for decades (education, media, entertainment, etc.). They have a multi-generational agenda and they are sticking to it.

The other side (presumably our side) essentially wants to be left alone. They don't want anyone pushing an agenda on them, and they don't want to push an agenda on anyone else.

Which one has the initiative?

While there is a huge group stuck in the middle, they are relatively easy to influence via parliamentary revolution. This group will see proposals from the people they typically trust in academia, politics, and entertainment and also see the groundswell of "lower class" support for those proposals. While they would normally think such ideas were questionable or outright wrong, the person caught between the groups is more likely to go along with it because, "well...I might be wrong about this if it seems like such an important idea." We're seeing it play out right now with the rapid spread of critical race theory as the "norm."

Undoing this in the short turn simply isn't possible at this point. To go back to the classic Yuri Brezmenov interview, it's going to take at least two or three generations of concerted effort to teach youth the value of individualism, critical thought, and patriotism. I think this is one of the biggest reasons there's so much pushback against homeschooling right now: it breaks one of the key venues for leftist teaching of the youth.

In the meantime, the only way I see this going is to a logical end where they finally go for the power grab and create enough counter-revolutionaries in the process. The resistance against them won't be overt, as any kind of visible organization will be dealt with swiftly and harshly. Instead, it's going to be underground. I expect things to play out a bit like one of those Matt Bracken stories where hunters, competitive shooters, and people with nothing to lose pick up scoped rifles and begin applying pressure against the influence peddlers.

I know this sounds dark. Perhaps its just my mood this morning. I just don't see an easy way out of this.

Actually yours and OH58D's theories on how pushback will take place are spot on. There is indeed a "Swamp", and it permeates and infects the government from top to bottom (very much at the top decision-making level though). It also leans heavily Leftward. Once those who "just want to be left alone" are forced into a corner of prison, death, or subjugation the more vengeance-inclined among them will do unsavory deeds from the shadows. Politicians, prosecutors, loud-mouthed MSM types, leaders of Lefty groups, even your local outspoken Karen will have not-nice things begin to happen to them. And right or wrong, even their families will need to have a high pucker factor. Guns will, as OH58D says, "go underground" and essentially disappear. A new-found interest in things that go BOOM (not BANG) will arise......why do it up close and forfeit your life when you can do it from a distance with a burner cellphone and live to do more dastardly deeds another day?

No Bubba militias to be sure. Instead be careful to peek around EVERY corner and over your shoulder 'cause the boogeymen you wouldn't leave alone just might be there......

[BoringGuy45]

We thought the March to socialism was dead when the wall fell, I guarantee you Marxism will still be alive in ten years. Maybe these particular Marxist groups won’t be the direct threat, well except for the democrat party which is growing, but their subscribers are many and our leaders’ gonads are small and few.


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If the communist groups don't gain more power, they may fade in popularity in the next decade. It was a blessing in the short term that our country never experienced communist terrorism during the Cold War. Throughout much of the world, groups like Red Army Faction, Action Directe, FARC, and Shining Path proved to be serious threats to the existence of various Western democracies. People saw the atrocities these groups were willing to commit to establish a communist state. Over here, we had the SLA and the Weather Underground, neither of which got off the ground enough to be more than local nuisances. So most American experience with communism is based on accounts from people who escaped Eastern Bloc countries rather than firsthand observation. As a result, we have a generation that still thinks communism could work as advertised and just needs another chance.

If BLM/Antifa starts bombing, assassinating, and taking hostages, they'll lose sympathy among the moderates very quickly. Sure, maybe the academics and media will sing their praises and justify the atrocities as "the price of progress", but the common people will see the writing on the wall.

[Averageman]

Hundreds of rioters in the street can be "controlled" and will be.
When they've reached the end of their tether someone with some training is going to take a couple of well placed shots and this will go really sideways for them.