Do you have a favorite soft-shell jacket?

**Corse** · 02-25-21, 09:39

Originally Posted by themonk

I dont mean to beat a dead horse on Arc'teryx but as I think it has been expressed in this thread, there are not better choices. As of Feb 2021 there stuff is still the best. Not in all areas or you may need features that they are not offering. But as a general rule their stuff is pretty stellar. Do you own any Arc'teryx?

Also what data do you have that they hate you? I know there are a lot of outdoor companies that you could make a generalized statement like that but not Arc'teryx. They go to SHOT SHOW every year and it does not seem like they hate anyone.

I do have some arc’teryx, but I’m not climbing Everest and there are a few other companies that make good gear.

My point was, and not necessarily directed at arc’teryx, is a lot of people complain about the politics/ownership of a company but then make excuses for why they continue to support them with their money.

**Ventenberry** · 02-25-21, 16:20

Yes, Arc'Teryx is owned by the Chinese, even lefty Wikipedia will admit that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc'teryx

While individuals who are employed with Arc'Teryx may not hate you personally, they work for the communist Chinese and thus in my book can be considered collaborators.

**PracticalRifleman** · 02-25-21, 22:01

Originally Posted by Ventenberry

Yes, Arc'Teryx is owned by the Chinese, even lefty Wikipedia will admit that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc'teryx

While individuals who are employed with Arc'Teryx may not hate you personally, they work for the communist Chinese and thus in my book can be considered collaborators.

Whew. I bought all my dead bird before the Chinese took over. I’m relieved.

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**themonk** · 02-26-21, 08:11

Originally Posted by PracticalRifleman

Whew. I bought all my dead bird before the Chinese took over. I’m relieved.

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Same here. We are lucky men.

**chuckman** · 02-26-21, 10:24

Originally Posted by Ventenberry

Yes, Arc'Teryx is owned by the Chinese, even lefty Wikipedia will admit that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arc'teryx

While individuals who are employed with Arc'Teryx may not hate you personally, they work for the communist Chinese and thus in my book can be considered collaborators.

Collaborators? Not "businessmen" or "capitalists"? Rhetorical, don't answer.

Made is US is my preference, but not my mountain to die on. I also wear Salomon, and have a Suunto (both owned by the same Chinese consortium that owns Arc'teryx).

Circling back, today my preference is Beyond, but I have no problem with most of the others.

**noonesshowmonkey** · 02-26-21, 10:49

Y'all are worse than fricken vegans. MEAT IS MURDER.

Not everything has to be reduced to conservative politics / 2A.

Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar. Or a hoodie is just a hoodie.

Back to the question: which Beyond / OR / etc. are folks pointing to? Let's get some links, info, and reviews.

**themonk** · 02-26-21, 10:54

Originally Posted by noonesshowmonkey

Y'all are worse than fricken vegans. MEAT IS MURDER.

Not everything has to be reduced to conservative politics / 2A.

Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar. Or a hoodie is just a hoodie.

Back to the question: which Beyond / OR / etc. are folks pointing to? Let's get some links, info, and reviews.

https://beyondclothing.com/collections/mission

**chuckman** · 02-26-21, 11:02

This will be my next jacket (assuming I can sell some shit off to buy it):

https://beyondclothing.com/products/...32446137401406

But their non-mil/non-"Mission" line is great, too:

https://beyondclothing.com/collections/jackets

A friend of mine is a PJ, swears by them.