Copy of trust ppw and tax stamp, how do you carry it? How large is your printed copy?

[Twilk73]

In pa the stamp needs to be with the item it represents. I imagine there is a time frame to produce a stamp incase you forget. I don't carry mine on me I have them in a pdf file on my phone. Hope that's OK lol.

[Bret]

I don't carry mine on me I have them in a pdf file on my phone. Hope that's OK lol.

That's perfectly reasonable as the point of having the forms is to prove that you have a legal right to possess the NFA firearm. If an officer was ever to tell you that having a picture on your phone isn't good enough, it would be time to lawyer up as he'd be attempting to create a crime where none exists. I think the odds of that happening are about zero though.

[Five_Point_Five_Six]

That's perfectly reasonable as the point of having the forms is to prove that you have a legal right to possess the NFA firearm. If an officer was ever to tell you that having a picture on your phone isn't good enough, it would be time to lawyer up as he'd be attempting to create a crime where none exists. I think the odds of that happening are about zero though.

You're under no obligation to show your trust info or tax stamps to anyone but the ATF.

[Alaskapopo]

Is there a regulation to follow, one dictating the size of the copy of the trust paperwork?
Does it have to be full letter-size paper printout or can you shrink it to fit multiple pages per sheet of paper to conserve space, provided it is still legible?

Does it need to be the full trust document or just a copy of the general provisions laying out the name, successors, and the signed/notarized page at the end?

I did read that the tax stamp serves as proof that the NFA item is in the trust and approved, along with the engraving on the item, so no Inventory sheet is needed.
Not clear on the details regarding the trust paperwork that has to be kept with the tax stamped item at all times.

Thanks in advance.

I don't have a trust but I have photos of all my stamps in my phone.

[Alaskapopo]

You're under no obligation to show your trust info or tax stamps to anyone but the ATF.

Well local law enforcement can arrest you under state law for weapons violations if you don' have proof the weapons are legally owned with the correct paperwork.
Pat

[docsherm]

You're under no obligation to show your trust info or tax stamps to anyone but the ATF.

That is not 100% true. You are legally required to show them to Treasury and IRS agents also. As it is a TAX Stamp they can ask for it. Other then that, you are correct.

[Five_Point_Five_Six]

Well local law enforcement can arrest you under state law for weapons violations if you don' have proof the weapons are legally owned with the correct paperwork.
Pat

They would need a reasonable belief the guns are illegal and not just a mere hunch or because they're cops and they think they have a right to see paperwork that they actually don't. Any cop that would arrest someone for that is a giant bag of dicks of the highest order.

That is not 100% true. You are legally required to show them to Treasury and IRS agents also. As it is a TAX Stamp they can ask for it. Other then that, you are correct.

The only thing more rare than a random ATF agent sighting at the range is a random Treasury/IRS agent sighting at the range.

[duece71]

That is not 100% true. You are legally required to show them to Treasury and IRS agents also. As it is a TAX Stamp they can ask for it. Other then that, you are correct.

Just curious......
Do Treasury or IRS agents routinely stop in at local shooting ranges or classes to inspect citizens documents? I suspect not. Knowing your own state laws and the laws in your AO should answer a lot of questions.

[ThePhonMan]

I have a close friend who is an FBI agent. We set up a shooting range on his property as we live in a rural area.

A few years back he had a barbecue at his house and several of his "work buddies" came out to play. When I pulled out my 6933 with a SOCOM suppressor on it 2 ATF agents took notice. One asked if I had tax stamps for the items in question. Not sure if this was a dick-measuring contest or some kind of warped test, I pulled out the business-card sized copies I carry in my wallet and handed the proper papers, one for each item, to the agent. Both guys looked them over for a while, handed them back to me and one agent said, "I would have thought these forms would have been larger?"

To which my FBI friend replied, "You guys are idiots".

YMMV

[docsherm]

Just curious......
Do Treasury or IRS agents routinely stop in at local shooting ranges or classes to inspect citizens documents? I suspect not. Knowing your own state laws and the laws in your AO should answer a lot of questions.

No, I just know a Treasury Agent and I have had the discussion with him. I don't carry anything with me. If the "agents" have a need to know, then they will have the ability to call in the serial numbers and verify it based on my Drivers Licences.