Copy of trust ppw and tax stamp, how do you carry it? How large is your printed copy?

**feedramp** · 08-06-20, 23:46

Is there a regulation to follow, one dictating the size of the copy of the trust paperwork?
Does it have to be full letter-size paper printout or can you shrink it to fit multiple pages per sheet of paper to conserve space, provided it is still legible?

Does it need to be the full trust document or just a copy of the general provisions laying out the name, successors, and the signed/notarized page at the end?

I did read that the tax stamp serves as proof that the NFA item is in the trust and approved, along with the engraving on the item, so no Inventory sheet is needed.
Not clear on the details regarding the trust paperwork that has to be kept with the tax stamped item at all times.

Thanks in advance.

**kwelz** · 08-07-20, 01:42

I have all of mine scanned and stored in multiple locations, including online storage that I can access anywhere with an internet connection.

**Eurodriver** · 08-07-20, 05:50

I don't bring a copy of my stamps or my trust anywhere.

**MegademiC** · 08-07-20, 07:10

I have pics on my phone. The only time I ever needed it was going to a range that stated they want to see it for MG up front.

**feedramp** · 08-07-20, 09:48

Originally Posted by Eurodriver

I don't bring a copy of my stamps or my trust anywhere.

Isn't the requirement is to always have it with the item, especially when leaving the house with it? Would love to know more about the legal requirements around this, if they exist. I'd like to not have to print out physical copies to haul around with each item if that's not necessary. Specifically Form 1 items, but also Form 4 if that differs.

**WickedWillis** · 08-07-20, 12:26

Originally Posted by feedramp

Isn't the requirement is to always have it with the item, especially when leaving the house with it? Would love to know more about the legal requirements around this, if they exist. I'd like to not have to print out physical copies to haul around with each item if that's not necessary. Specifically Form 1 items, but also Form 4 if that differs.

Yes, and no. You can be asked by Law Enforcement to provide proof of your suppressor or SBR stamp. Or you can say that is not their business, and if they want to see they can have a federal agent contact you. They can hold you for this though.

I went to fedex, made copies of all of them. Shrunk them down to smaller sizes, laminated them. I keep them in my wallet, as well as in the grips of the guns that need them.

**ndmiller** · 08-07-20, 13:49

I print 4 per page, and laminate them. Cut them apart into sort of index card size. You can put a hole punch and keep them on a keyring in your bag (s)

**Eurodriver** · 08-07-20, 16:45

Originally Posted by markm

This. I feel like we're on ARFcom lately.

Samesies.

Originally Posted by feedramp

Thanks to those who provided suggestions on how to make it livable.
Yeah, you know, eff me for trying to understand and adhere to the law. I don't like it any more than you do, but until that magical day when all the restrictions on a constitutional right are rescinded, I'm not interested in causing undue distress to myself or my family "just because".

No need to jump on Mark's case. A lot of people overthink this stuff, and there have been a lot of questions like this lately.

Let me ask you this - I presume you've carried firearms for a while for self defense purposes. Probably carry guns to and from the range often and have for many years. How many times has an LEO ever examined a firearm in your possession?

You don't carry a bill of sale with you to prove it isn't stolen, do you? Of course not.

Originally Posted by feedramp

Isn't the requirement is to always have it with the item, especially when leaving the house with it? Would love to know more about the legal requirements around this, if they exist. I'd like to not have to print out physical copies to haul around with each item if that's not necessary. Specifically Form 1 items, but also Form 4 if that differs.

No.

In my state, NFA items are illegal unless properly registered with the federal government. Mine are properly registered. Thus, they are legal. That's it. That is where the statute ends. There is no requirement in my state, or federally, for me to carry around any sort of proof or paperwork that they are registered.

I know this might shock the generally risk averse NFA crowd, but I don't even bring paperwork with me when I travel. If the BATFE or local LEOs are examining my firearms enough that they are demanding to see a tax stamp, I probably have big problems and me sending my buddy a text asking him to go to my house and snap a pic of my tax stamps isn't really one of them.

**PatrioticDisorder** · 08-14-20, 09:52

Originally Posted by Eurodriver

No.

In my state, NFA items are illegal unless properly registered with the federal government. Mine are properly registered. Thus, they are legal. That's it. That is where the statute ends. There is no requirement in my state, or federally, for me to carry around any sort of proof or paperwork that they are registered.

I know this might shock the generally risk averse NFA crowd, but I don't even bring paperwork with me when I travel. If the BATFE or local LEOs are examining my firearms enough that they are demanding to see a tax stamp, I probably have big problems and me sending my buddy a text asking him to go to my house and snap a pic of my tax stamps isn't really one of them.

This, I don’t know how many stamps I even have. When I first got my MGs I did carry those stamps around, I don’t even do that anymore. Nobody asks, I have been kicked out of lame indoor ranges for shooting my MGs (safely, not shooting the ceiling, floor or walls, in case this was in question), but I simply avoid those ranges now.