Trijicon sues Holosun (patent infringement)

[Esq.]

It’s logic’s to enrich your enemies? That’s your point?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Not at all. The POINT was, assuming the Chinese Optics reach a point where they are clearly the equal of or even BETTER than their competitors- at a lower price point, on a site where EVERYTHING is about THE BEST OR NOTHING (You like that, the Mercedes motto?).....That's going to be a real sad panda day here....Because guys are going to have to say, "Well, I will CHOOSE to have a more expensive, crummier optic, because I won't buy them"....that flies in the face of everything the site espouses. It may require incredible mental gymnastics to avoid complete melt down.....

[Adrenaline_6]

Some Toyota’s are made in the US.

He didn’t say ALL. He didn’t say SOME.


All Holosun optics are made in communist China and profit is made by the Chinese government.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This whole discussion is patent infringement. In which Trijicons case is weak at best. This is fact. Like I mentioned before, there is no reason for the cost to be what it is on an RMR or a T-2. None. R&D was recovered a long time ago. They have been living high on the hog for awhile now and for some reason are still trying to do so at the cost of the consumer. I have no problems paying more for US or NATO, but giving the OK to these manufacturers to ass rape you in the name of US made or "not Chinese" is bullsh*t. You don't get to do that to me and many others here.

If you like the 12" dong in your keyster, no lube, with the made in USA sticker on it, have at it. No thanks.

To twist it into 'we like to support Communists" is stupid and almost childish to try and justify your willingness to get played. No, that isn't it at all. We just don't like getting buttf*cked, whoever it may be that is doing it. Writing letters to them about it will do nothing. Spending your money somewhere else is the only thing you can do to combat it and hopefully they respond with lower prices. That's how it works.

[PracticalRifleman]

Not at all. The POINT was, assuming the Chinese Optics reach a point where they are clearly the equal of or even BETTER than their competitors- at a lower price point, on a site where EVERYTHING is about THE BEST OR NOTHING (You like that, the Mercedes motto?).....That's going to be a real sad panda day here....Because guys are going to have to say, "Well, I will CHOOSE to have a more expensive, crummier optic, because I won't buy them"....that flies in the face of everything the site espouses. It may require incredible mental gymnastics to avoid complete melt down.....

I would disagree with you there. No mental gymnastics involved. If you’re a patriot, you don’t enrich your enemies. If you’re a selfish asshole, you do what you perceive is best for you.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Adrenaline_6]

I would disagree with you there. No mental gymnastics involved. If you’re a patriot, you don’t enrich your enemies. If you’re a selfish asshole, you do what you perceive is best for you.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That is what the sentiment pretty much was with automakers back in the 70's and 80's. Good luck with your eventual Ford Pinto.

[Esq.]

I would disagree with you there. No mental gymnastics involved. If you’re a patriot, you don’t enrich your enemies. If you’re a selfish asshole, you do what you perceive is best for you.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It's not about what's "best for you".

It's about HAVING THE BEST GEAR....which is the raison d'etre of this site. Just post something about how your DPMS is as good as a Colt and find out!

Again, there are few people here that would argue that the Japs didn't beat the ever loving shit out of us for DECADES in auto quality and price and features- which had the pleasant affect of causing our own makers to up their game..... You would be a FOOL to do so- by every measurable metric, they made BETTER vehicles. You can't say that you are all about "the best" when you then add- "unless, it's made someplace I don't like" in the fine print.

[grizzlyblake]

This whole discussion is patent infringement. In which Trijicons case is weak at best. This is fact. Like I mentioned before, there is no reason for the cost to be what it is on an RMR or a T-2. None. R&D was recovered a long time ago. They have been living high on the hog for awhile now and for some reason are still trying to do so at the cost of the consumer. I have no problems paying more for US or NATO, but giving the OK to these manufacturers to ass rape you in the name of US made or "not Chinese" is bullsh*t. You don't get to do that to me and many others here.

If you like the 12" dong in your keyster, no lube, with the made in USA sticker on it, have at it. No thanks.

To twist it into 'we like to support Communists" is stupid and almost childish to try and justify your willingness to get played. No, that isn't it at all. We just don't like getting buttf*cked, whoever it may be that is doing it. Writing letters to them about it will do nothing. Spending your money somewhere else is the only thing you can do to combat it and hopefully they respond with lower prices. That's how it works.

Dude.

It's called capitalism. Your post reeks of socialist equality.

I think it costs about $30 to make a Glock. I would guess a PMag is less than a dollar. Should they not be allowed to charge their retail prices?

[PracticalRifleman]

This whole discussion is patent infringement. In which Trijicons case is weak at best. This is fact. Like I mentioned before, there is no reason for the cost to be what it is on an RMR or a T-2. None. R&D was recovered a long time ago. They have been living high on the hog for awhile now and for some reason are still trying to do so at the cost of the consumer. I have no problems paying more for US or NATO, but giving the OK to these manufacturers to ass rape you in the name of US made or "not Chinese" is bullsh*t. You don't get to do that to me and many others here.

If you like the 12" dong in your keyster, no lube, with the made in USA sticker on it, have at it. No thanks.

To twist it into 'we like to support Communists" is stupid and almost childish to try and justify your willingness to get played. No, that isn't it at all. We just don't like getting buttf*cked, whoever it may be that is doing it. Writing letters to them about it will do nothing. Spending your money somewhere else is the only thing you can do to combat it and hopefully they respond with lower prices. That's how it works.

Your entire argument is bullshit. Do you know anything in the least bit way about labor, manufacturing, environmental regulation, taxes, etc? Be honest here.

Do you have any clue what it costs to hire skilled labor in the US?

China has a competitive advantage because labor is 1/20th the cost here. There are next to zero environmental regulation. No OSHA, no ISO9000, and so on.

My last new RMR was $269 on clearance. When I looked at the 507, it was $300. Hmmm. Manufacturers typically shoot for a 30/30 relationship with retailers. Being that the retailers make 30% of the $400 an RMR retails for, Trijicon spends $200 to make an RMR—and this is assuming they function like most other companies. If this principle held true in China, it would cost the Chinese $150 per Holosun. Do you believe that is remotely true? I’d say the one ripping us off would be Holosun. They are making more per unit profit than Trijicon I guarantee. And the R&D was stolen.

At the end of the day, your argument is that we should literally give money to the Chinese government that owns Holosun, because “shake awake” and other gimmicks because it’s cheaper. You’re willing to give money to our actual enemy to use against us because “muh solar shake awake is mo better”. How patriotic of you.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Adrenaline_6]

Dude.

It's called capitalism. Your post reeks of socialist equality.

I think it costs about $30 to make a Glock. I would guess a PMag is less than a dollar. Should they not be allowed to charge their retail prices?

What the??? When did I say that? Seriously? When? Stop twisting things to push your narrow minded narrative. The last time I checked, PMags and Glocks were competitive in price. Where in all posts ever has people seriously bitched about Glock and PMag pricing? Nowhere. Why?...because they are COMPETITIVE AND FAIR! That is what is being asked for and expected.

Its funny, the same guys who scream "its capitalism, they can charge what they want" don't understand it also is capitalism when less people buy your product because you are perceived as charging too much and there are other alternatives. It's a double edged sword people.

[Esq.]

Dude.

It's called capitalism. Your post reeks of socialist equality.

I think it costs about $30 to make a Glock. I would guess a PMag is less than a dollar. Should they not be allowed to charge their retail prices?

I will absolutely defend intellectual property rights. Creators of products are entitled to the benefits of their ideas. But ask yourself this- the Aimpoint Pro that is oh, so popular....WHY do you think Aimpoint brought it to market? Because they were so concerned about people who couldn't afford to buy a Comp M4 or a T1/T2? Market share. Plain and simple. There was a portion of the market that had a need for a red dot but couldn't or wouldn't pop $800 for one. It's that simple. When other companies began to service that market they realized they needed a share of it as well. It's not an accident that an MRO is essentially HALF of what Aimpoints are.

[PracticalRifleman]

It's not about what's "best for you".

It's about HAVING THE BEST GEAR....which is the raison d'etre of this site. Just post something about how your DPMS is as good as a Colt and find out!

Again, there are few people here that would argue that the Japs didn't beat the ever loving shit out of us for DECADES in auto quality and price and features- which had the pleasant affect of causing our own makers to up their game..... You would be a FOOL to do so- by every measurable metric, they made BETTER vehicles. You can't say that you are all about "the best" when you then add- "unless, it's made someplace I don't like" in the fine print.

I’m unconvinced that Holosun is “the best”.

The fact that it is literally owned by the government of our enemy is the problem.

Comparing DPMS and Colt is irrelevant. If Colt was owned by the Communist Party of China and it was advocated over BCM then we could make a comparison.

In fact, it’s not that it’s made in China per se. if it were made in China by a company not owned by the literally a communist government, perhaps it would be more palatable.

What if Al Qaida made the *best* magazines. Would you buy them?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk