Trijicon sues Holosun (patent infringement)

[Esq.]

It's better to have one Aimpoint/Trijicon/Eotech than a bunch of China dots. But you do you.

I own over 20 Aimpoint and Trijicon products. Still not enough. That's $16k in optics. I'm not really "down" for another $16k.....

[glocktogo]

RMRs don't have shake awake or solar cells because they don't need them.

ETA: And you don't need sideloading batteries or top-loading batteries if your batteries last a year or longer, like they do in RMRs.


A Holosun is c. $300. An RMR is c. $440. If your math works out that 300=0.5(440), you should have been paying better attention in school.

Bullcrap. If Trijicon is too stupid to figure out that you shouldn't have to unmarry your optic to change batteries, then remarry it and reconfirm/adjust zero then that's their fault.

I own an RM-06, a Vortex Venom, a HE507C-GR and an HS507K. My very first mini reflex was a Burris Fastfire. The Holosuns are just flat better. Better design. Better execution. Better price. Funny thing, I don't remember having to buy extra screws, an optional "sealing plate" or an "anti-flicker" plate for my Vortex or Holosuns. Why is that?

Trijicon manufactures in the US, employs US citizens, and strongly supports the 2a and our military. Holosun and other junk Chinese companies steal tech and market share. IP exists for a reason.

Your comment reeks of classism and socialism. Why would any company lower their prices? This is business, not an altruistic endeavor. It’s not like trijicon gouges it’s customers. People are free to buy foreign-made turd optics if they do choose. But those turd optic companies cannot infringe on IP.

When Trijicon makes a BETTER product without so many drawbacks, I'll buy another. Until then? Nope...

The issue I have is simple. We KNOW Chinese companies are controlled by the Chinese government, who facilitates and encourages theft of intellectual property. These Chinese companies are not engineering or developing any technology, they are stealing it. They are also manufacturing in a country without labor laws or environmental concerns.

I would expect them to be cheaper and have different features, what is unbelievable is the money people are willing to spend on Holosun. Hell, just buy them on Wish and save money.

Andy

Did Holosun steal the side loading battery feature from Trijicon? Did they steal the shake-awake feature from Trijicon? Did they steal the solar power feature from Trijicon? If so, then why doesn't the RMR have any of those features?

[Adrenaline_6]

What I don't get is people need to realize the idea of buying American "No matter what" is in the end, bad. This kills innovation, competitiveness in pricing and manufacturing, materials, etc and eventually the company itself. It never works out for the company or consumer in the end. You don't get a free pass to ass rape the consumer because you are US or NATO based...from me anyway.

Sure...some technologies are best left out of the enemies tinkering hands. Like the whole Tic Toc mess going on now and the ban on Chinese video surveillance brands, this is an actual front line security risk. Other things..not so much.

If others like the ass raping...no lube...be my guest....have fun. I'll pass, but don't virtue signal me and others just because you like it for some reason.

I don't mind paying a little more for "USA made" for the same or better product, but what they don't get to do is sit on their haunches as far as pricing and innovation and scream "cuz Americuh!" or "not made in China!" and proceed to continually ass rape the consumer.

NO!

[Sam]

I was told by a couple of very knowledgeable gun people that Holosun are pretty decent product. I never thought about buying any of their products and wasn't keen on supporting the chicom market, but at their price I might pick up one of the Trijicon knock offs.

[sgtrock82]

Man, China and the PLA sure are lucky all the fiscally conscious Americans are chomping at the bit to beta test their optics for them, otherwise that might get expensive.

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[WickedWillis]

I have one RMR 01. Got it in 2017 on sale at Cabela's for $261, including a standard and riser mount for an AR platform. I don't know about the Chicom Holoson being just as good as Trijicon. Sounds like it should be a companion thread to PSA just as good as Colt.

I own two (Type 1) RMR's and no Holosuns at this time, but I can certainly tell you I personally believe Holosun is making a better micro red dot right now than Trijicon is, for way less money.

Clearer (way less blue) glass than Trijicon
Crisper reticles (Especially with my astigmatism)
Larger windows

Are just a few of the things that they simply do better than the RMR. Along with solar that does not turn your dot into a giant red explosion, shake awake tech (if that's your thing, I like it personally) More audible turrets than the gen 1 RMR's, more than one reticle option, available in Titanium models, Micro models for single stack guns.

This lawsuit is over the footprint, and Trijicon may win that. But they also realize they are not innovating, or evolving their flagship optics and the industry is working them right now.

I love American made products and supporting American companies, but it seems like some of them are getting super lazy and too comfortable in an ever changing, ever evolving market.

[Esq.]

I own two (Type 1) RMR's and no Holosuns at this time, but I can certainly tell you I personally believe Holosun is making a better micro red dot right now than Trijicon is, for way less money.

Clearer (way less blue) glass than Trijicon
Crisper reticles (Especially with my astigmatism)
Larger windows

Are just a few of the things that they simply do better than the RMR. Along with solar that does not turn your dot into a giant red explosion, shake awake tech (if that's your thing, I like it personally) More audible turrets than the gen 1 RMR's, more than one reticle option, available in Titanium models, Micro models for single stack guns.

This lawsuit is over the footprint, and Trijicon may win that. But they also realize they are not innovating, or evolving their flagship optics and the industry is working them right now.

I love American made products and supporting American companies, but it seems like some of them are getting super lazy and too comfortable in an ever changing, ever evolving market.

What may end being interesting to me would be if the Holosun products become, clearly, undeniably better.

Then what? Will people continue to buy their Dodge Rampages or will they buy one of those new Jap Tacomas?

[MountainRaven]

What may end being interesting to me would be if the Holosun products become, clearly, undeniably better.

Then what? Will people continue to buy their Dodge Rampages or will they buy one of those new Jap Tacomas?

Tacomas are made in Mexico. They were made in the US.

The east is red, the sun is rising.
From China, appears Mao Zedong.
He strives for the people's happiness,
Hurrah, he is the people's great savior!

[Esq.]

Tacomas are made in Mexico. They were made in the US.

The east is red, the sun is rising.
From China, appears Mao Zedong.
He strives for the people's happiness,
Hurrah, he is the people's great savior!

Ok. I know that originally Toyota trucks were all imported, I'm guessing profits still return to Japan? I dont drive one, I drive an American brand.. The point stands, when Japanese autos first came here there was a great deal of hostility to them from some people.

I personally was with my Grandad one night in the early 80s at the local VFW when a guy pulled up in a new Japanese made truck and those old dudes lost their shit!

Over time, the Japanese trucks were generally judged superior. They ran longer, cost less and had fewer mechanical issues. The issue is, will people pay more for what may be an inferior product?

[ryanm]

TRD pro Tacoma’s are not made in Mexico