I'm not a fan of Executive Orders, but....

[HardToHandle]

Effectively Trump is on track to issue nearly twice as many executive orders as Obama.
An impressive number of Trump’s (1) have been held as unconstitutional in all level of US courts and (2) a large number have been filed in the last year, as his re-election as looked less likely.

Donald Trump issued 177 executive orders between 2017 and 2020.
Barack Obama issued 276 executive orders between 2009 and 2017.
GWB had 291 and WJC 254.. but GWB also had some big GWOT activity.

As noted, watching democracy dying is not fun.

[chadbag]

Effectively Trump is on track to issue nearly twice as many executive orders as Obama.
An impressive number of Trump’s (1) have been held as unconstitutional in all level of US courts and (2) a large number have been filed in the last year, as his re-election as looked less likely.

Donald Trump issued 177 executive orders between 2017 and 2020.
Barack Obama issued 276 executive orders between 2009 and 2017.
GWB had 291 and WJC 254.. but GWB also had some big GWOT activity.

As noted, watching democracy dying is not fun.

According to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ecutive_orders

WJC had 364, not 254

Carter had 320 in his 1 term.

This is not a new phenomenon.

[Diamondback]

Also, a lot of Trump EO's have been to cancel Obuttf--k's.

[HardToHandle]

According to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ecutive_orders

WJC had 364, not 254

Carter had 320 in his 1 term.

This is not a new phenomenon.

I used the National Archives EO numbers, for consistency- https://www.federalregister.gov/pres...ecutive-orders. Since Executive Orders are a non-constitutional creation, they have used different titles and had some variation over time (signing statements particularly). Federal administrative law is a deep topic, which I know enough to admit I have a general historical knowledge of but am not an expert.

The Carter years are an outlier, as a significant portion of those administrative actions had linkages to realignment of executive functions, such as creation of Dept. of Energy or FEMA. Those executive actions were in general accord with Congressional committees and were also part of the 1976 Carter-Mondale campaign pledges. The Congress was firmly Democratic post Watergate in both the 1976 and 1978 elections. The large number of Carter EOs were often directing intra-Executive realignment and very, very different from President Trump’s DACA or COVID EOs.

In other words, apples and oranges. Trump has taken executive action into a new zone, potentially a continuation of the last two years of Obama Administration, but has been pushing the boundaries and has not been very successful.

[Dr. Bullseye]

Effectively Trump is on track to issue nearly twice as many executive orders as Obama.
An impressive number of Trump’s (1) have been held as unconstitutional in all level of US courts and (2) a large number have been filed in the last year, as his re-election as looked less likely.

Donald Trump issued 177 executive orders between 2017 and 2020.
Barack Obama issued 276 executive orders between 2009 and 2017.
GWB had 291 and WJC 254.. but GWB also had some big GWOT activity.

As noted, watching democracy dying is not fun.

As long as the Left dies, I really don't give a damn. Wake up. That is the enemy Trump is fighting, not some goat herder in Iraq or Afghanistan or Kuwait. Our enemy is not some bookish abstraction of the law. America on the street level is dying. I truly wish there was as much enthusiasm to fight our Domestic Enemies as there was to joust with windmills in those meaningless foreign wars.

[m1a_scoutguy]

I not doubting this- but WHERE are yall seeing this would have to be paid back?
that doesn't even make sense to me- giving people money who don't have it now- to pay back later when they still wont have it?
I've not seen anywhere this will have to be paid back. Just asking.

It would be idiotic for us to have to pay it back,,ain't gonna happen ! For what its worth I was watching FOX tonight and they were talking about it,I can't remember shit but I know they said it would not have to be paid back, and SSI will get $$$ put back into it from Bonds and such. Yea it was Fox so take it for what its worth but that is what they were talking about. It was that British guy Steve Hilton with Sara Carter and another guy I can't remember.

[vicious_cb]

As long as the Left dies, I really don't give a damn. Wake up. That is the enemy Trump is fighting, not some goat herder in Iraq or Afghanistan or Kuwait. Our enemy is not some bookish abstraction of the law. America on the street level is dying. I truly wish there was as much enthusiasm to fight our Domestic Enemies as there was to joust with windmills in those meaningless foreign wars.

The kid gloves need to be taken off. People like HardtoHandle need to wake up, Trump isnt the one killing democracy.

[yoni]

I don't think outside of a very narrow focus that Executive Orders are Constitutional.

Having said that with the exception of one President who died after only a month in office,(Harrison) every President including Washington has issued Executive Orders.

So if Trump can use these orders to drive the left crazy and keep the marxist from spending over 3 trillion that would include bailouts to marxist states that are broke. I am good with it.

[AndyLate]

It would have been a lot cooler if he set the max income above $120K. Just saying..

[Business_Casual]

I want to believe he is a “good guy” and I know a lot of good has come from him so far, but I am concerned and cautious when it comes to rule by fiat. That’s just not how we are supposed to operate.