Breonna Taylor Shooting, New Details...The Media etc Really IS Trying to Start a War

[The_War_Wagon]

Breonna Taylor Shooting, New Details...The Media etc Really IS Trying to Start a War

[WickedWillis]

It is common practice for “entry teams” “SRT” and “SWAT” to not use body cameras while performing these specific duties, and this practice MAY be valid due to opsec.

No knocks need to be an option only in certain extreme circumstances, not the norm. And this is how my team, and others in my area work. Callout is the default option, with escalation to measures that lead to suspects choosing to abandon the structure due to discomfort.

Why in TF would you routinely choose to engage in battle in a structure that may or may not have a preplanned defense if you can avoid that? Especially over dope? Callout, cut power, CS, dogs, etc.

The War on Drugs is stupid, expensive, and costly in lives lost, and we’ve known this for roughly a century. But every couple years, I have to choose between pro-gun and anti-prohibition candidates for some reason. And usually both sides are anti-gun and pro-prohibition. Because pro-authoritarinaism.

Great information in this post 1168. I was not aware that was common practice to not use bodycams on raids like this, but the reasoning makes a ton of sense.

[turnburglar]

I had a guy knocking on my door at 6 am this morning. I don't know why he was there as I didn't answer, but I absolutely had my Glock 19 in hand. Glad he wasn't a cop.

ANYONE who goes banging on doors at weird hours and then kicks them in deserves to catch a round. LEO or not; thats how we protect our homes in America. How is the average American supposed to know the difference between just a regular home invader and your local PD doing no knocks? I remember in Afghanistan Obama signed the Kharzi convention that limited ISAF in all kinds of crazy ways. Seeing our own cops in America having looser ROE's than ISAF is unacceptable.

[Esq.]

I had a guy knocking on my door at 6 am this morning. I don't know why he was there as I didn't answer, but I absolutely had my Glock 19 in hand. Glad he wasn't a cop.

ANYONE who goes banging on doors at weird hours and then kicks them in deserves to catch a round. LEO or not; thats how we protect our homes in America. How is the average American supposed to know the difference between just a regular home invader and your local PD doing no knocks? I remember in Afghanistan Obama signed the Kharzi convention that limited ISAF in all kinds of crazy ways. Seeing our own cops in America having looser ROE's than ISAF is unacceptable.

Yea, I've heard this before. Here's the thing. I'm not a CRIMINAL and I never answer my door unless I know who it is. So, by default anyone attempting to beat my door in, is either 1. Very mistaken (not MY PROBLEM) or 2. A Criminal. Either way, weapons free. In this case, it was NEITHER OPTION. The police had every right to be there and Breonna the "bag lady"- That's what the Mob calls people who move illegal product around for people who are "hot", should have known it was a probability. Do illegal shit, expect the police to show up at some point....Rocket Surgery? Nope.

Further, I don't think the ROE's are looser. The officers here TOOK ROUNDS BEFORE THEY SHOT BACK. Now, I haven't been "In Country".....but I'm guessing even under Obama etc...that our troops taking rounds were able to shoot back to defend themselves?

[1168]

Yea, I've heard this before. Here's the thing. I'm not a CRIMINAL and I never answer my door unless I know who it is. So, by default anyone attempting to beat my door in, is either 1. Very mistaken (not MY PROBLEM) or 2. A Criminal. Either way, weapons free. In this case, it was NEITHER OPTION. The police had every right to be there and Breonna the "bag lady"- That's what the Mob calls people who move illegal product around for people who are "hot", should have known it was a probability. Do illegal shit, expect the police to show up at some point....Rocket Surgery? Nope.

Further, I don't think the ROE's are looser. The officers here TOOK ROUNDS BEFORE THEY SHOT BACK. Now, I haven't been "In Country".....but I'm guessing even under Obama etc...that our troops taking rounds were able to shoot back to defend themselves?

I think by ROE, he means criteria for aggression, such as booting a door and dragging someone out of their bed, not shoot/no shoot. In the US, depending on jurisdiction, this can be more or less lenient than Khowst in 2013.

[Pappabear]

I understand the dirtbag that took 7 in the back had a weapon on the floorboard of his car, but they let the world burn down before letting that info out. On drugs, charged with molesting a minor.........That makes for open season at Target. Ever wonder why Target always takes the hit?

PB

[Whiskey_Bravo]

I understand the dirtbag that took 7 in the back had a weapon on the floorboard of his car, but they let the world burn down before letting that info out. On drugs, charged with molesting a minor.........That makes for open season at Target. Ever wonder why Target always takes the hit?

PB

It wouldn't have mattered if they released that info the same night. I mean they are still rioting in Minneapolis over a dude that shot himself on the sidewalk in broad daylight with dozens of people within feet of him.

[Averageman]

I understand the dirtbag that took 7 in the back had a weapon on the floorboard of his car, but they let the world burn down before letting that info out. On drugs, charged with molesting a minor.........That makes for open season at Target. Ever wonder why Target always takes the hit?
PB

From what I understand, Target is a "target" because of their previous policies concerning how they deal with shoplifters.
In my opinion he committed "Death by Cop", I will wait for the toxicology report, but I'm guessing if your reaching in to a Car while a Cop has a gun on you and keeps Screaming "NO!", your not firing on all mental cylinders. That or you would rather die than go back to prison for the rest of your life.

What we are seeing is the result Left Wing Media who have been carrying water for the Socialist/Progressive movement reach a crescendo and encourage insurgents to overthrow the United States.

If you want to point to someone responsible for her getting shot, look at who was where. She's moving toward the door, the Cops are breaking the door down and the boyfriend shoots past her to the cops coming in the door. That's who started all of the shooting.

[Straight Shooter]

Yea, I've heard this before. Here's the thing. I'm not a CRIMINAL and I never answer my door unless I know who it is. So, by default anyone attempting to beat my door in, is either 1. Very mistaken (not MY PROBLEM) or 2. A Criminal. Either way, weapons free. In this case, it was NEITHER OPTION. The police had every right to be there and Breonna the "bag lady"- That's what the Mob calls people who move illegal product around for people who are "hot", should have known it was a probability. Do illegal shit, expect the police to show up at some point....Rocket Surgery? Nope.

Further, I don't think the ROE's are looser. The officers here TOOK ROUNDS BEFORE THEY SHOT BACK. Now, I haven't been "In Country".....but I'm guessing even under Obama etc...that our troops taking rounds were able to shoot back to defend themselves?

About 4 times in my life...Ive been sitting next to the front door of where ever I was living at the time..and looked to see the doorknob turning. Once was way out in the country with my first wife & stepkids. I was not close to a firearm..but angrily opened the door to some fool "looking for so & so". Lets say he never came back.
Last time, about 5 years ago..in my apt. Saw the knob twisting back & forth. I grabbed my G17 & yanked that door opened so fast, to find a very nicely dressed, young black kid, holding schoolbooks, trying to put his key into what he thought was a friends door. He about shit his pants. I told him, nicely but firmly. I understood he made a mistake, no problem..but be careful next time as some people arent so understanding. So..my point is you come at my door..Im not a criminal & I KNOW Ive done no legal wrong...If I can get a weapon in my hand I guess we will see who is standing when its all over. How cops can bust down doors at wrong addresses and shoot innocent people is beyond me.

[turnburglar]

I think by ROE, he means criteria for aggression, such as booting a door and dragging someone out of their bed, not shoot/no shoot. In the US, depending on jurisdiction, this can be more or less lenient than Khowst in 2013.

This.

I remember setting up parameters on compounds, waiting for daylight before we could do a raid. If an individual inside the suspected compound wanted to take an early morning stroll, they could walk right past ISAF no problem. I remember KNOWING exactly who was a bomb maker an his daily routines and locations. Only reason we didn't just walk right up and shoot him in his face was 'politics'. There where MANY many times in OEF, where it would have been easier if instead of ISAF ROE's we could have used the PD tactics we keep seeing here at home.