Breonna Taylor Shooting, New Details...The Media etc Really IS Trying to Start a War

[seb5]

No knocks should literally be as rare as hostage rescues, and for some teams, they are.

As far as dogs being a substitute for getting a proper warrant, yeah, its time for the drug war to be over. Fortunately, in my area, some of the dog handlers will stop their dogs from indicating if they believe its a bs fishing expedition, and many of the other cops will dump dope to avoid charging for simple possession. Its over. We just need to call it officially.

Good points and I agree. I also believe that it's the "war on drugs" that greatly contributed to the angst we're seeing with a lot of the minority communities.

[tn1911]

Good points and I agree. I also believe that it's the "war on drugs" that greatly contributed to the angst we're seeing with a lot of the minority communities.

Absolutely, and those on the right who are growing to distrust cops see those same no knock dope raid tactics used against gun owners... at some point the cops in this country are going to find themselves outnumbered, alone and surrounded by a public that ranges from folks who just don't trust any of them to folks who want the dead.

[tn1911]

Heroin and Fentanyl, for example, are almost like chemical weapons, in that simple accidental skin exposure can kill a person.

That is simply not true... a quick google search turns up hundreds of articles debunking this myth.

https://www.livescience.com/65502-ca...-kill-you.html

[jsbhike]

Has there been any talk that the jury wanted to bring up other charges and were denied?

That seems to be the case.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ed/5995670002/

[C-grunt]

That seems to be the case.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ed/5995670002/

Big difference between the DA saying they aren't looking at any other charges because they won't fly and the grand jury wanting other charges and being denied.

[jsbhike]

Big difference between the DA saying they aren't looking at any other charges because they won't fly and the grand jury wanting other charges and being denied.

The article/member of the grand jury states the grand jury asked about additional charges and that idea got pooh poohed.

If charges are only based on what the state wants, or doesn't want, to do then why bother convening a grand jury at all?

That also poses the question as to whether it really wouldn't stick or certain people don't want it to stick. From the same neck of the woods a few years back there was a career special snowflake they didn't convict despite that he engaged in kidnapping and extortion.

https://www.wdrb.com/news/good-cop-b...180f97631.html

[jsbhike]

As long as law enforcement officers are following training and department policy that's about all that can legally be expected of them. Same with healthcare workers following training and protocols.

Yes, mistakes are made. John Hopkins estimates 250,000 deaths per year are due to medical error. Charge all those healthcare workers with crimes? Do you really want to live in a world that criminalizes the fact that humans are imperfect? Not me. Intent is a major factor in any analysis.

That's really apples to oranges.

Barring the medical people engaging in some sort of scam:

1) the person voluntarily went to the medical people
2) the medical people are trying to help them
3) if the person decides they aren't liking the treatment they are receiving they are free to leave
4) if medical folk don't go along with #3 then they will very much wish they had.

I don't worship the medical(or any other field) so between their screw ups and intentional crap like the Tuskegee syphilis experiment, their recommendations don't need to become mandates.

That being said, interaction with LE isn't voluntary from start to finish and that interaction is typically started with at least some notion to fine or jail the person which is in no way improving their lot in life.

The following policy and training defense needs some discernment instead of being a blanket free pass. Without discernment it just smacks of just following orders.

[BoringGuy45]

That's really apples to oranges.

Barring the medical people engaging in some sort of scam:

1) the person voluntarily went to the medical people
2) the medical people are trying to help them
3) if the person decides they aren't liking the treatment they are receiving they are free to leave
4) if medical folk don't go along with #3 then they will very much wish they had.

I don't worship the medical(or any other field) so between their screw ups and intentional crap like the Tuskegee syphilis experiment, their recommendations don't need to become mandates.

That being said, interaction with LE isn't voluntary from start to finish and that interaction is typically started with at least some notion to fine or jail the person which is in no way improving their lot in life.

The following policy and training defense needs some discernment instead of being a blanket free pass. Without discernment it just smacks of just following orders.

In some cases, I agree. Cops can't act as though they are knights or samurai and oaths to obeying to their lords must take precedent over all else. It's already been established that an illegal order is no order at all, and that decisions need to be made based on reason and necessity. If a cop defies common sense and his defense is that department policy required/forbid him from exercising his judgement in that case and, in that case, somebody died, that's a problem. If, however, he was making his best judgment within the law and policies of the department and something went wrong, there needs to be some level of immunity. You can't have people who are too afraid to do anything because, even if they follow the rules, they will be punished if something goes wrong.

[jsbhike]

In some cases, I agree. Cops can't act as though they are knights or samurai and oaths to obeying to their lords must take precedent over all else. It's already been established that an illegal order is no order at all, and that decisions need to be made based on reason and necessity. If a cop defies common sense and his defense is that department policy required/forbid him from exercising his judgement in that case and, in that case, somebody died, that's a problem. If, however, he was making his best judgment within the law and policies of the department and something went wrong, there needs to be some level of immunity. You can't have people who are too afraid to do anything because, even if they follow the rules, they will be punished if something goes wrong.

What happens when you have citizens who think they are following the rules, but get punished anyway?

In either scenario(obviously wrong or maybe not as obvious), those higher up the chain creating those bad policies need to be held even more accountable.

[Esq.]

What happens when you have citizens who think they are following the rules, but get punished anyway?

In either scenario(obviously wrong or maybe not as obvious), those higher up the chain creating those bad policies need to be held even more accountable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyh5M8-cejo

This is why you don't need to talk about defunding the police. They are going to quit. Complete bullshit.