I still want a 433....
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I still want a 433....
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It's funny, that for most of the AR's existence, up until the end of this past decade, every country in Europe, with the exception of the Netherlands, was hellbent on finding a 5.56 service rifle that was anything but an AR. Now, they're all ditching their wonder guns that supposedly had all the AR's strengths and none of its weaknesses and picking up...AR-based rifles. Weird how things come around like that.
But on that note, I'm wondering if the DI AR's days are numbered in the U.S. military. I'm not saying it SHOULD be, but it seems like most of the countries that have picked up new AR-based service rifles have gone with piston designs. And of course, the USMC has already traded in the M4 for the M27, and everybody knows the rule that the Marines don't get to have newer or cooler toys than the Army. The Army's hair-brained Next Gen Weapons System that is supposedly going to replace everything from submachine guns up to anti-material sniper rifles is destined to fail. So I can't help but wonder if this, the 416, or (more likely) a piston AR from Sig Sauer is going to be the new service rifle for the Army in the next few years.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who do not.-Ben Franklin
there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it’s worth fighting for.-Samwise Gamgee
Ironically the Haenel Stg 45 (m) led directly to the Cetme / G3 system.
G36s wins for CDI factor and I'd still buy a legit semi if they ever offered it but man it had problems, starting with the optic system from Hensoldt. Wanted to like it, wanted to like it...but man what a pain in the ass. Still want a XM8 while we are at it.
But this is the practical direction for sure. With all of the R&D "road to nowhere" projects Hans and Franz need to get 50 years out of this weapon system.
It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.
Chuck, we miss ya man.
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No M-Lok? M1913 rails? Red dot, not a LPVO? Spppfffttt. Not Boogaloo rated...
The Second Amendment ACKNOWLEDGES our right to own and bear arms that are in common use that can be used for lawful purposes. The arms can be restricted ONLY if subject to historical analogue from the founding era or is dangerous (unsafe) AND unusual.
It's that simple.
Interesting development. I would have also thought HK. What a wonderful world in which we live that many NATO countries are going AR, most of our police department shoots Austrian guns, and our military uses Austrian and Germano-Austrian pistols after using Italian guns...
According to Chris Bartocci, some engineers who helped develop the HK416 short stroke piston system later helped SIG develop the short stroke piston system for the sig 516. Then, they went to help Caracal design their short stroke gas piston system. His opinion is that each system improved on the previous in some incremental way, although I don’t recall that he mentioned what those incremental improvements might have been.
An article on HKPro suggests that Haenel is part of the Caracal group of companies now. I wonder how much (if any) of the short stroke gas piston system that these engineers helped design three times is present in the Haenel.
I was also interested to see that although the photograph Firefly posted has all three selector positions marked, there’s no autosear pin or hole visible.
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