Bundeswehr picks AR as new service rifle

[Grand58742]

Interesting development. I would have also thought HK. What a wonderful world in which we live that many NATO countries are going AR, most of our police department shoots Austrian guns, and our military uses Austrian and Germano-Austrian pistols after using Italian guns...

According to the news release in the OP, H&K can still challenge the decision.

[Firefly]

According to Chris Bartocci, some engineers who helped develop the HK416 short stroke piston system later helped SIG develop the short stroke piston system for the sig 516. Then, they went to help Caracal design their short stroke gas piston system. His opinion is that each system improved on the previous in some incremental way, although I don’t recall that he mentioned what those incremental improvements might have been.

An article on HKPro suggests that Haenel is part of the Caracal group of companies now. I wonder how much (if any) of the short stroke gas piston system that these engineers helped design three times is present in the Haenel.

I was also interested to see that although the photograph Firefly posted has all three selector positions marked, there’s no autosear pin or hole visible.


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That is interesting per Caracal. I would proffer the 416 is more proven (and they are already on the A5 update) but like Colt, they got hit by lower bidder and politics.

It’s certainly an interesting time in Small Arms

My interest is peaked.


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You unironically want a SCAR 16 before a 433.

[Firefly]

According to the news release in the OP, H&K can still challenge the decision.

Unless they are willing to give up essentially free 416s, the fix is in

[hotrodder636]

Maybe HK will bring the US market some 416 and 433s to help with their income. Not the MR223 crap either, I mean US made (in GA) 416 guns.

[Scrubber3]

If the 433 lands here, I'm selling a kidney

[VIP3R 237]

If the 433 lands here, I'm selling a kidney

That’s probably what it’ll cost

[chuckman]

If the 433 lands here, I'm selling a kidney

The Sandhills are not too far from me, I would sell your kidney, too....

[Steve Shannon]

The Sandhills are not too far from me, I would sell your kidney, too....

If you plan well you could sell both of his kidneys.


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[Firefly]

Maybe HK will bring the US market some 416 and 433s to help with their income. Not the MR223 crap either, I mean US made (in GA) 416 guns.

I get frustrated at comments like this. The MR 556 is literally an M27 with no full auto and the modified semi auto upper.

Brownells sold a 416 kit that was/is grossly overpriced just for the ability to use F/A parts and a lighter barrel.

I would like the updated MR556A5 with a more normal barrel but what you take a hit on in weight, you get back in accuracy. I’d also like the normal takedown pins.

I have a 556 and it is my MacBook Pro AR. Expensive, proprietary, but it just works and you get rewarded with a really really nice stock trigger and nigh SPR accuracy. It is a little chonky though and it does have more recoil (not much but noticeable).

My Colts are bae but the HK just shoots. I’d love the current, military 14.5 barrel but the 16” MR is fine too. A little lighter would go soooo far.
I get tempted to chop but nah
That said it’s my /comfy/ rifle. I’m not raiding Saigon with it. I’m going out and popping IPSC, Boar, Karens with it.

People forget that HK is gridlocked with a lot of laws. On both shores.

I don’t know what people want out of HK but they are never happy.

To those of you selling Kidneys for 433s; Y’all gonna be some sad, sad bears 15 minutes after shooting it.

“Um WTF this is like a SCAR. It just says HK on it”

I have enough G36 experience to tell you that in a perfect world it is a $600 gun at best. And they will even tell you that the XM8 is a G36 with a Starship Troopers DLC Skin.

You would literally be better off with an Airsoft version to shoot Pepsi cans with and could still retain your dignity.

JM2C

[Scrubber3]

The Sandhills are not too far from me, I would sell your kidney, too....

That's not how it works... not at all.