Tulsa, OK, slain officer Bodycam. *NSFW* hard to watch.

[Firefly]

I don’t want to really go totally down this rabbit hole but I have dealt with Sovereign Citizens before.

They think the law applies to everyone but them through some weird loopholes of half-truths, anecdotal conjecture, and whatever lies they read on Stormfront.

Which is why I get SUPER skeptical of whatever comes out of a lolbertarian’s suckhole.

Like, IDGAF if you want UZIs, hookers, or to rot your brain getting high all day. But they also start losing me with AoC being 11 and not thinking DUI should be a crime.

So, cucking the police to where they say “Well gee golly gosh, he just doesn’t want to go to jail. I guess we’d better just leave and let the tow truck guy deal with it” is frankly pretty asinine.

Don’t expect other people to live up this whole idea of Americanism. Doesn’t work that way. Never has, never will. It smacks of Arfcommery.

The guy in that car was a low life. Low lifes need to be off the street either in a jail or in a cooler.

Wanting law and order doesn’t mean the police are automatically Totenkopf SS. If you want life like the 50s, understand that it was like that for a reason. The shitsticks got beaten or shot with no quarter given for their whining and Curbside Johnny Cochran spiel. See....that’s what makes me sick.

Nobody cites all these legal shit until their ass is in a sling and then they play Matlock. Where was this legal knowledge when it came time to renew your tags or pay your car insurance?

[Sam]

At the point said officers return to their patrol vehicle and let Mr. Tow Truck attempt to boot the car. He would have been the fellow in the lead trying to do his job with an armed maniac not willing to allow that.

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Not arguing with OH58, just pondering on what would happen:

And what's to keep that psycho from driving off while the officers were waiting for the tow truck? Then it's a car chase and when they finally stop him again, we're back to square one ... he refuses to obey order and exits the car.

Somebody mentioned a Maglite or some other kind of baton/impact weapon. It's pretty tough to employ some kind of strikes within the tiny space of a car cabin, I doubt it would have made any difference. Once they lost their hold on him and he broke free to go back to get his hidden weapon, it's over.

The guy was a nut to start. Who would fight the police and then shoot them for his initial non violence violations? He was a bat sh!t crazy nut. All that double talk that came out of his mouth. He wasn't going to obey the lawful order, so force of some kind was going to remove him, maybe if there were more manpower there, they could have removed him from the car ... maybe better tactics/techniques to force him to comply ... or maybe it would just ended up in a shooting. Sadly an officer lost his life in this horrible lesson.

[OH58D]

I don’t want to really go totally down this rabbit hole but I have dealt with Sovereign Citizens before.

They think the law applies to everyone but them through some weird loopholes of half-truths, anecdotal conjecture, and whatever lies they read on Stormfront.

Which is why I get SUPER skeptical of whatever comes out of a lolbertarian’s suckhole.

Like, IDGAF if you want UZIs, hookers, or to rot your brain getting high all day. But they also start losing me with AoC being 11 and not thinking DUI should be a crime.

So, cucking the police to where they say “Well gee golly gosh, he just doesn’t want to go to jail. I guess we’d better just leave and let the tow truck guy deal with it” is frankly pretty asinine.

Don’t expect other people to live up this whole idea of Americanism. Doesn’t work that way. Never has, never will. It smacks of Arfcommery.

The guy in that car was a low life. Low lifes need to be off the street either in a jail or in a cooler.

Wanting law and order doesn’t mean the police are automatically Totenkopf SS. If you want life like the 50s, understand that it was like that for a reason. The shitsticks got beaten or shot with no quarter given for their whining and Curbside Johnny Cochran spiel. See....that’s what makes me sick.

Nobody cites all these legal shit until their ass is in a sling and then they play Matlock. Where was this legal knowledge when it came time to renew your tags or pay your car insurance?

Remember in the late '60's, the college Libertarians were arm in arm with the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS/Weather Underground) spitting on US troops returning from Vietnam. A little known fact modern Libertarians either don't know or choose to ignore.

The armed maniac in the car will be the type of person that will be killed outright by other citizens when you don't have the police to rely on any longer. Here in New Mexico, there have already been incidents over the years where some loser on his 12th DUI runs his truck in the ditch, and gets popped in the head with a gun shot from a citizen following him. In the lack of any social order, it's the logical path.

[Firefly]

Not arguing with OH58, just pondering on what would happen:

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Somebody mentioned a Maglite or some other kind of baton/impact weapon. It's pretty tough to employ some kind of strikes within the tiny space of a car cabin, I doubt it would have made any difference. Once they lost their hold on him and he broke free to go back to get his hidden weapon, it's over.

No it’s not. Done it plenty of times. A good upward thrust under the jaw goes a long way. Bonus if they bite their tongue.....on Xbox.

[Sam]

No it’s not. Done it plenty of times. A good upward thrust under the jaw goes a long way. Bonus if they bite their tongue.....on Xbox.

Again, not arguing with you, just trying to get the info straight.

You've done it plenty of times as a law enforcement officer on duty? If so, is that a legal striking technique? I thought the LEO are restricted to only certain type of strikes, location, etc.

[Firefly]

Remember in the late '60's, the college Libertarians were arm in arm with the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS/Weather Underground) spitting on US troops returning from Vietnam. A little known fact modern Libertarians either don't know or choose to ignore.

The armed maniac in the car will be the type of person that will be killed outright by other citizens when you don't have the police to rely on any longer. Here in New Mexico, there have already been incidents over the years where some loser on his 12th DUI runs his truck in the ditch, and gets popped in the head with a gun shot from a citizen following him. In the lack of any social order, it's the logical path.

I don’t remember that but I am aware of it, yes sir.

I mean I am all for Gadsden Flags and Snek Flags and all but I don’t think people really want actual anarchy because people would be killing each other left and right.

I mean, forming drunken posses seems fun at first and I wont say some people don’t have it coming.

That said, after a while it can get petty. I mean, people need their due process and day in court.

[Sam]

This old cat demonstrated how fast things can happen. If a fat old country boy can do it that quick, just imagine a guy half his age and only 2/3 his weight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w5u32jFfXU

[marco.g]

I don’t remember that but I am aware of it, yes sir.

I mean I am all for Gadsden Flags and Snek Flags and all but I don’t think people really want actual anarchy because people would be killing each other left and right.

I mean, forming drunken posses seems fun at first and I wont say some people don’t have it coming.

That said, after a while it can get petty. I mean, people need their due process and day in court.

This is basically where I’m at. If you didn’t believe it before, 2020 showed us that we are a nation of s**theads. Folks are gonna do whatever they think they can get away with.

POS can get cracked with hickory by a Sheriff or smoke checked by the Kenosha Kid. Matters none to me.

[OH58D]

I don’t remember that but I am aware of it, yes sir.

I mean I am all for Gadsden Flags and Snek Flags and all but I don’t think people really want actual anarchy because people would be killing each other left and right.

I mean, forming drunken posses seems fun at first and I wont say some people don’t have it coming.

That said, after a while it can get petty. I mean, people need their due process and day in court.

I'm not advocating vigilante justice, but I live in a part of the world where if an emergency call on the Thrane Satellite phone is made to the Sheriff's Office, it will take 45 minutes to 1 hour for a responding officer to show up - in good weather. You learn from an early age that being self-sufficient is a way of life.

[mrbieler]

At the point said officers return to their patrol vehicle and let Mr. Tow Truck attempt to boot the car.

That's not what I wrote, but I appreciate you making the assumption to suit your argument.