M110 contract for Knight's

[lysander]

1500? 2000 rifles? Rifles or the Whole ‘kit’?

The M110 is the Semi-Automatic Sniper System, which includes:

- a rifle with back-up iron sights and sling
- a suppressor
- a day optic
- magazines
- a bipod
- a system carrying case
- a cleaning kit
- user and unit maintenance tools
- operator and unit replacement parts

So that translates to what...1,000 rifles?

Sounds about right for about 1,000 systems plus engineering and logistic support.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

"Bids were solicited via the internet with one received."

The way the solicitation was written, there really wasn't doubt who was getting the contract....

What about it with the fluid someone like LMT or even Daniell Defense participating.

[hotrodder636]

Good to see KAC scored a nice contract.

[MountainRaven]

I'm still wondering about the logic of designating the HK gun the "M110A1".

The same logic as designating M855A1 as, well, M855A1.

Am I the only one who feels like they could build an AR10 with off the shelf commercial parts that would outperform the M110 for a fraction of the price?

There are plenty of people on the internet claiming their PSAs, Olys, DPMSs, Bushmasters, home-built chinesium-filled guns are just as good as (or better than) Colt, BCM, LMT, KAC, so... no. No, you are not.

[Firefly]

Am I the only one who feels like they could build an AR10 with off the shelf commercial parts that would outperform the M110 for a fraction of the price?

And for a minute Eddie Murphy thought he was a singer. Crack makes people think a lot of things.

AR-10s SEEM so deceptively simply. But no. AR-15s have a more or less standardized form. AR-10s do not. There are receivers out that that take M14 mags, FAL mags, G3 mags, etc. then not all receivers are the same. THEN you may have BCG compatibility issues.

I made a home made M110K1. It was NOT easy. Playing scavenger hunt for KAC parts was not hard. After it was all said and done, I saved 300 dollars. 300 measly dollars than if I just bought it outright and it still is only 95% there.

The only AR 10 receivers I would use are KAC/LMT or Armalite.

They just aren’t cheap.

[Grand58742]

And for a minute Eddie Murphy thought he was a singer. Crack makes people think a lot of things.

AR-10s SEEM so deceptively simply. But no. AR-15s have a more or less standardized form. AR-10s do not. There are receivers out that that take M14 mags, FAL mags, G3 mags, etc. then not all receivers are the same. THEN you may have BCG compatibility issues.

I made a home made M110K1. It was NOT easy. Playing scavenger hunt for KAC parts was not hard. After it was all said and done, I saved 300 dollars. 300 measly dollars than if I just bought it outright and it still is only 95% there.

The only AR 10 receivers I would use are KAC/LMT or Armalite.

They just aren’t cheap.

Sadly, the Armalite has two different types of mags as well...

[Firefly]

Sadly, the Armalite has two different types of mags as well...

You are correct but going to the AR-10A was the best thing they did in 20 years. See initially the AR-10A would have been their line but they modded it to use M14 mags. Personally, I could have lived with 10 round KAC mags if need be.

The AR-10A is best you can get non LMT/KAC.

The only other niggle is the Forward Assist. I don’t like it. But it is what it is.

People don’t realize that Eagle Arms bought more than the name. The AR-10A as we know it was initially to be a Colt product of all things. There had been renewed interest during the Bush Wars in the AR-10 but it was hard to market because it just wasn’t mainstream. It was a smaller frame but the technology is not new.

People forget that at one time, Armalite and KAC had a similar KAC/LMT vibe and some of their uppers and a few lowers were cross compatible and use original AR-10 magazines before they committed to the M-14 style.

The Armalite and the KAC are still different guns sharing a common magazine but the quality is still there. I actually have a fairly new Armalite kit and the workmanship is impeccable. I don’t like the new logo but when I get off my ass and put it together it will be worthy.

I’d used a B kit for a prior build and the only real issues were mag related. That is not a problem now.

[lysander]

What about it with the fluid someone like LMT or even Daniell Defense participating.

The M110 is covered under a performance specification, and therefore can be, and is, a proprietary rifle. With the contract requirement that all parts be compatible with all the other M110s in service, LMT or DD would have to have KAC's drawings to ensure this. That's why there was only one bid received.

EDIT:
That is also why the M110A1 is the M110A1.

[Slater]

Congrats again to KAC (today's awards):

"Knight's Armament Co.,* Titusville, Florida, is awarded a $25,652,000 firm-fixed-price contract for procurement of 5.56mm small arms suppressor. This contract provides for 5.56mm small arms suppressors that will be used on the M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle, M4 Carbine and M4A1 Close Quarter Battle weapon. Work will be performed in Titusville, Florida, with an expected completion date of Sept. 20, 2027. The maximum dollar value, including a base ordering period of five years with two 12-month options, is $25,652,000. Fiscal 2018 procurement (Marine Corps) funds in the amount of $6,676,971 are being obligated at time of award and will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract was a sole-source, with one offer solicited and one offer received. The statutory authority permitting use of other than full and open competition for this action is 10 U.S. Code § 2304 (c)(1) as implemented by Federal Acquisition Regulation 6.302-1, “Only one responsible source and no other supplies or services will satisfy agency requirements.” The Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico, Virginia, is the contracting activity (M67854-20-D-1719)."

[SteyrAUG]

And for a minute Eddie Murphy thought he was a singer.

Hey now.. for a minute Eddie Murphy WAS a singer. I still Party All the Time occasionally. I even have Charlie Murphy's album when he was part of K-9 Posse.

And when he feels like it, Eddie can still drop bombs like he did with his Dolemite movie. Didn't see that one coming after years of "Nutty Professor" crap, but I really enjoyed it. I remember Murphy's debut on a HBO special where he was one of five new comedians, that was about a year before Delirious.

Back on topic, given the wide variation of AR-10s out there, even the original Armalites (Sudanese and Portuguese) were very different and I don't even know if parts on those were interchangeable, I'd stay with a production rifle from a reputable manufacturer.

Really, really want a Knights one day, I think it's the only .308 that is dramatically superior to the G3 of the legacy .308s (FALs, M-14s, AR-10s and others).