Colt 6920 Daily Deal at Palmetto

[SteyrAUG]

Here's where using your head helps. Never spend more than you're willing to loose. Since I'm not willing to loose anything there are very few things I buy at a gun show and absolutely nothing from anyone without a LOCAL business address unless it's something under $25.

Been going to gun shows for decades and only ever bought 2 guns. One new DD M4V and one NIB with all accessories MAS 49/56.

I see people always go crazy over guns and ammo. Loose their damn minds. Never made sense to me

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The only other alternative is becoming an expert at what you are looking at. And even then you always come across something you've never seen before and have to make a on the spot judgement of "very rare or very fake."

Been doing gun shows since 1978 and I wasn't even in high school yet. Was mostly WWI / WWII stuff at always hard to determine if something was a gun that A) Left the factory with parts from multiple manufacturers, B) Was refitted at an arsenal level with parts from various manufacturers or part of some arsenal update where parts or C) Some mix and match crap that was cobbled together by some idiot in his garage.

German firearms were ID'd by codes rather than manufacturer marks so that made everything that much harder. US guns didn't individually serial number each part but ID'd parts by lot numbers in many cases so that made things challenging. This was also pre internet so if it wasn't covered in any of the books you owned you really had no idea what you were looking at. Then you had to play "Was this refinished / reblued DURING or AFTER the war?"

Then you had deliberate forgeries like Cadet Lugers and you really had to get over your desire to own something like that because the counterfeits greatly outnumber the genuine examples. Same for para carbines, wasn't hard to slap a period correct stock on a basic Inland carbine and claim you bought it from some guy who was in the 101rst.

Of course dealers typically know all this stuff and more than a few are willing to swap things out and strongly suggest it's legit.

[Arik]

The only other alternative is becoming an expert at what you are looking at. And even then you always come across something you've never seen before and have to make a on the spot judgement of "very rare or very fake."

Been doing gun shows since 1978 and I wasn't even in high school yet. Was mostly WWI / WWII stuff at always hard to determine if something was a gun that A) Left the factory with parts from multiple manufacturers, B) Was refitted at an arsenal level with parts from various manufacturers or part of some arsenal update where parts or C) Some mix and match crap that was cobbled together by some idiot in his garage.

German firearms were ID'd by codes rather than manufacturer marks so that made everything that much harder. US guns didn't individually serial number each part but ID'd parts by lot numbers in many cases so that made things challenging. This was also pre internet so if it wasn't covered in any of the books you owned you really had no idea what you were looking at. Then you had to play "Was this refinished / reblued DURING or AFTER the war?"

Then you had deliberate forgeries like Cadet Lugers and you really had to get over your desire to own something like that because the counterfeits greatly outnumber the genuine examples. Same for para carbines, wasn't hard to slap a period correct stock on a basic Inland carbine and claim you bought it from some guy who was in the 101rst.

Of course dealers typically know all this stuff and more than a few are willing to swap things out and strongly suggest it's legit.

And I wasn't born yet.... almost. But still. Have to keep your head out of the clouds. If you don't know, aren't sure, suspect something then don't buy. I'm always amazed at how fast people are willing to be separated from their hard earned money.

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[Arik]

LOL. In the late 90's I had one that I sent off to a guy in Shotgun News who did .308 conversions so they'd take FN-FAL mags. No issues in the limited shooting I did with it. Ended up selling it to a friend of mine.

As far as unscrupulous sellers swapping parts.....that is one reason why when Colt stopped marking BCG's it made me wary. Someone at a gun shop who was actually gun-savvy (but a crooked dirtbag) could easily pull the Colt out and slap a friggin' DPMS in there.

I actually like those rifles ....in context to its time and place. Very simple, reliable DI rifle in a 308 equivalent caliber. Definitely quirky but what French gun isn't?!?!

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[ABNAK]

I actually like those rifles ....in context to its time and place. Very simple, reliable DI rifle in a 308 equivalent caliber. Definitely quirky but what French gun isn't?!?!

What is funny is that yes it had a gas tube, but it blew into a "blind" hole in the brick-like carrier. The gas basically went nowhere other than to blast that humongous carrier back. The gas didn't interact internally with the bolt like on an AR.

[1168]

What is funny is that yes it had a gas tube, but it blew into a "blind" hole in the brick-like carrier. The gas basically went nowhere other than to blast that humongous carrier back. The gas didn't interact internally with the bolt like on an AR.

Yeah, its the textbook example of DI, if I’m not mistaken

[DG23]

Your post is Arfcom grade.

As much as you bash that site I am guessing you got banned from there?

Reading your posts here I can understand why...

[MountainRaven]

Yeah, its the textbook example of DI, if I’m not mistaken

Yes, it’s actually DI while the AR-10 and AR-15 are not.

[Arik]

As much as you bash that site I am guessing you got banned from there?

Reading your posts here I can understand why...

You haven't been here that long. Go back a ways and you'll see it's pretty much a laughing stock. Been that way for years. In fact this place was started because of it

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[JoshNC]

The only other alternative is becoming an expert at what you are looking at. And even then you always come across something you've never seen before and have to make a on the spot judgement of "very rare or very fake."

Been doing gun shows since 1978 and I wasn't even in high school yet. Was mostly WWI / WWII stuff at always hard to determine if something was a gun that A) Left the factory with parts from multiple manufacturers, B) Was refitted at an arsenal level with parts from various manufacturers or part of some arsenal update where parts or C) Some mix and match crap that was cobbled together by some idiot in his garage.

German firearms were ID'd by codes rather than manufacturer marks so that made everything that much harder. US guns didn't individually serial number each part but ID'd parts by lot numbers in many cases so that made things challenging. This was also pre internet so if it wasn't covered in any of the books you owned you really had no idea what you were looking at. Then you had to play "Was this refinished / reblued DURING or AFTER the war?"

Then you had deliberate forgeries like Cadet Lugers and you really had to get over your desire to own something like that because the counterfeits greatly outnumber the genuine examples. Same for para carbines, wasn't hard to slap a period correct stock on a basic Inland carbine and claim you bought it from some guy who was in the 101rst.

Of course dealers typically know all this stuff and more than a few are willing to swap things out and strongly suggest it's legit.

This is spot on. Even the big name dealers, big auction houses, etc very frequently have transferable MGs listed as “rare” and “factory”, but looking at the pictures it’s completely obvious that they are not as they came from the factory. This is very common with Colt M16s.

Let the buyer beware.

[SteyrAUG]

This is spot on. Even the big name dealers, big auction houses, etc very frequently have transferable MGs listed as “rare” and “factory”, but looking at the pictures it’s completely obvious that they are not as they came from the factory. This is very common with Colt M16s.

Let the buyer beware.

Worst example I remember is those Shansei 1937 .45 ACP Broomhandle Mausers that hit the market for about $450 to $650 around 15 years ago. Was the usual "found a lot of these in some XYZ country - won't last long - get yours now."

What got all the experts is they actually were made at Shansei, only problem is they were made around 1999 on the original tooling at the original factory that had been dormant since probably 1937. All the markings were correct. All the parts looked and kinda were legit - just one problem. They didn't heat treat them properly because they didn't care or didn't know how to do that part or didn't even know they were supposed to.

The other problem is they went to great lengths to artificially age the handguns but all the corners were too sharp and clean for something made back in 1937. But what it it really sat in a box unfired for 60 years....it might have happened.

But when the frames began cracking due to improper or lack of heat treating people started to figure it out. Of course if you looked very closely, there were some clues. Externally it might have been aged but internally everything looked like it was made yesterday (because it was), but in their desire to own a "holy grail" like a .45 ACP Chinese Mauser lots of people looked right past the obvious and did the BUY IT NOW because they know this is a $2500 gun. But the fact that the Chinese government turned on the lights at a long forgotten factory to start cranking out fake collectibles means anything can happen.

Even when the Russian capture K-98s, P-38s and a small lot of Lugers came in for pennies on the dollar I was always a bit skeptical. Of course those actually checked out and we know the Russians were sitting on a metric shit ton of captured German small arms from the war and it wasn't until after the wall came down that they would be able to sell any of that stuff to the US. We also so LOTS of Cold War Russian goods hitting the market globally at "I'll buy ALL of them" prices so things were checking out.

I only wish I had grabbed a dozen Lugers, those went fast. At least I'm still sitting on a couple P7 PSPs that I grabbed for $450 each. I think that still might be the greatest gun deal of my lifetime.