Visting CA With AR.....

[Whalstib]

Howdy,

I live full time in an RV and own an M4 pistol with folding brace. Very little about it legal in CA!

I have a business opportunity for 2 months in CA and am considering it but have no where to store the M4 for that long. For the sake of argument lets just say I will be having it with me and need to be in CA. Please don't waste our/my time by saying leave it or don't go etc...

I understand the CA options and am considering a few easily reversible ones but an odd one I found is I can simply separate the upper and lower and have it like that and no problem! This doesn't make sense to me as a high capacity magazine is illegal no matter what! Shouldn't an unloaded magazine be legal under this assumption of simply part of a whole...the whole being loaded?

It does make sense in that it's an incomplete firearm..

I was told this is an viable option and I may go one step further and have the BCG locked up as well. So just AR part sorta assembled...

Anyone here have to figure this nonsense out?

Thanks!

W

[militarymoron]

If you have it disassembled, it's gun parts, not a firearm according to this:

https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Doc...ta=(sc.Default


(hh) “Semiautomatic” means a firearm functionally able to fire a single cartridge, eject the empty case, and reload the chamber each time the trigger is pulled and released. Further, certain necessary mechanical parts that will allow a firearm to function in a semiautomatic nature must be present for a weapon to be deemed semiautomatic. A weapon clearly designed to be semiautomatic but lacking a firing pin, bolt carrier, gas tube, or some other crucial part of the firearm is not semiautomatic for purposes of Penal Code sections 30515, 30600, 30605(a), and 30900.
(1) A mechanically whole semiautomatic firearm merely lacking ammunition and a proper magazine is a semiautomatic firearm.
(2) A mechanically whole semiautomatic firearm disabled by a gun lock or other firearm safety device is a semiautomatic firearm. (All necessary parts are present, once the gun lock or firearm safety device is removed, and weapon can be loaded with a magazine and proper ammunition.)
(3) With regards to an AR-15 style firearm, if a complete upper receiver and a complete lower receiver are completely detached from one another, but still in the possession or under the custody or control of the same person, the firearm is not a semiautomatic firearm.

[Whalstib]

If you have it disassembled, it's gun parts, not a firearm according to this:

https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Doc...ta=(sc.Default


(hh) “Semiautomatic” means a firearm functionally able to fire a single cartridge, eject the empty case, and reload the chamber each time the trigger is pulled and released. Further, certain necessary mechanical parts that will allow a firearm to function in a semiautomatic nature must be present for a weapon to be deemed semiautomatic. A weapon clearly designed to be semiautomatic but lacking a firing pin, bolt carrier, gas tube, or some other crucial part of the firearm is not semiautomatic for purposes of Penal Code sections 30515, 30600, 30605(a), and 30900.
(1) A mechanically whole semiautomatic firearm merely lacking ammunition and a proper magazine is a semiautomatic firearm.
(2) A mechanically whole semiautomatic firearm disabled by a gun lock or other firearm safety device is a semiautomatic firearm. (All necessary parts are present, once the gun lock or firearm safety device is removed, and weapon can be loaded with a magazine and proper ammunition.)
(3) With regards to an AR-15 style firearm, if a complete upper receiver and a complete lower receiver are completely detached from one another, but still in the possession or under the custody or control of the same person, the firearm is not a semiautomatic firearm.

Thanks!

That help confirm it..oddly I don't think you can disassemble a HC magazine and have it be legal.... I may be wrong though....

Gotta love CA!

[Diamondback]

Do you have multiple storage compartments in your RV? I'd be tempted to lock one half in each of two, get a safety deposit box in a Nevada or Oregon border town to stash your good mags for a couple months.

[kirkland]

Just stick it inside a bag or a box, keep it put away and don't break the law. This is America, nobody can search through your shit without probable cause.

[jbjh]

Doesn’t work that way here in CA.

You may be ok with the gun disassembled, but it wouldn’t take much to make a constructive possession charge out of it.

The only way to make the gun compliant is with a fixed magazine that requires the gun to be broken open to drop the mag/reload.

As for 30-round mags, because you’re not a CA resident, if you’re caught with it in the state, you be charged with importation and possession. Even disassembled you would be in violation.

Sorry.


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[1986s4]

Safe deposit box for the mags, lower and BCG in NV, OR, etc.

[TMS951]

Safe deposit box seems a bit excessive and expensive for a some mag storage.

I’d just put them in an ammo box and bury them somewhere in Oregon or Nevada.

But, can they be converted legally to ten round mags? Would that be legal. For instance magpul offers inserts for 30 round mags that limit them to ten. Idk if this would be legal or if you have the right kind of mags for this.

[1986s4]

Safe deposit box seems a bit excessive and expensive for a some mag storage.

I’d just put them in an ammo box and bury them somewhere in Oregon or Nevada.

But, can they be converted legally to ten round mags? Would that be legal. For instance magpul offers inserts for 30 round mags that limit them to ten. Idk if this would be legal or if you have the right kind of mags for this.

Make yourself a map and do it at night ! Arrr !

[glocktogo]

Doesn’t work that way here in CA.

You may be ok with the gun disassembled, but it wouldn’t take much to make a constructive possession charge out of it.

The only way to make the gun compliant is with a fixed magazine that requires the gun to be broken open to drop the mag/reload.

As for 30-round mags, because you’re not a CA resident, if you’re caught with it in the state, you be charged with importation and possession. Even disassembled you would be in violation.

Sorry.


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Isn't it deplorable that Americans wishing to exercise their constitutional rights, can't even set foot in California?