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Thread: Gear check please! Day/Night PC, belt and Night Recon

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    Don't forget to take a knee every time you stop.

    Practice SLLS.

    You work with others, or alone?

    I too am not understanding why different stuff for day or night....my gear works the same in all light and weather.

    Hint: black stuff doesn't blend in well in most environments at night. If there is any illum at all, black will stand out like a sore thumb, the way it does in day.

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    You think any of this kit woulda helped Kyle? Kyle had his head on straight. He knew the carbine was for protection. The real mission is providing aid and presence. When shit got weird, kyle went super gun fu on those clowns and he didn't need even a reload.

    Here's a few of my quick points on your kit:

    -patroling in a populated environment; you need your kit strapped down. Afghan kids where wonderful pick pockets. The best way not to loose something? Don't bring it unless you actually need it.

    -unless you are never gonna see a vehicle, the back needs to be slick. If you prefer walking to driving, we are very different people.

    -night time doesn't need a different camo. The same camo that works at daytime in your AO, will still be effective in that same AO but with less visible light.

    -As a civilian (or prior mil no longer on duty status) you really don't need a ton of kit. As other have said: leave all the weird extra items in your pack or the vehicles. The belt and PC should be pretty light. You really aren't gonna be doing far ambushes against RPK's, Dishka's or RPG's. It's the far left. They are barely above children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ggammell View Post
    If you don’t practice patrolling, don’t have a “heavy patrol load out.”
    Plenty experience on patrolling in an urban and desert environment and it did suck hard. It was worst here in Hawaii on FTX becausod the high humidity. I'm old and broken now so I do need to rethink past loadouts from 13 years ago. I got lazy, kept my old Rothco PC and wanted a better PC and the OPT Mayflower MBAV was recommended by many people. Looking back in hindsight, I should have gotten a JPC 1.0

    This is the biggest suckage of my loadout.

    10 years in the Outback and out of focus with new products...bear with me.
    Last edited by Rrotz; 10-02-20 at 21:25.

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    What in the world is in the assault pack? How far are you planning to walk on a patrol, and how long are you gonna stay out?

    Didn't your past experience teach you that less is more? Mine sure did.

    Again, mission drives the gear, analyze what exactly it is you're doing, what the METL is for a particular patrol/action, and strip away everything that's not absolutely vital to that goal.

    You can't anticipate everything Mr. Murphy's gonna throw at ya, but carrying everything and the kitchen sink "just in case" will smoke you.

    Remember?

    ETA: I also don't understand all the GP pouches and things on the back of both PCs, how do you get into those without yankin' the rigs off?

    And where's your water?
    Last edited by ViniVidivici; 10-02-20 at 22:48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rrotz View Post
    .... I got lazy, kept my old Rothco PC and wanted a better PC and the OPT Mayflower MBAV was recommended by many people. Looking back in hindsight, I should have gotten a JPC 1.0.
    Nah, nothing wrong with wanting a better upgrade, and frankly, I don't think you're losing anything with your Mayflower PC over the JPC 1.0. Now, the JPC 2.0, maybe...
    I've never been a fan of the APC shoulder straps, but it's still a very versatile carrier. And plates with a pack are STILL going to be plates with a pack, regardless of the carrier.

    I don't think the pack is to big to work for you either - it's what, like 18Hx14Wx6-8D ish? Looks like it can be cinched down smaller too?
    I think you can make it work, it's just going to be more a matter of what/how much you fill it with. I mean, to me, that's more of a "day-plus/pack-lite-overnight" size pack, but it can work.
    Granted, like I mentioned before, if I was just going out on a few hours/1 day "ground domination/area patrol" to secure your retreat perimeter, I'd take something simpler like a bladder carrier... Maybe bungee on a light rain jacket big enough to throw right over your gear (minus daypack), since it's Hawaii; protect/warm your torso a bit, as well as keep all that cordura from soaking up water and adding more weight.

    You mentioned in a previous post you have a retreat spot picked out; are you driving in, or will you need to hike in after stashing vehicles?
    Do you have the ability to pre-cache some supplies?
    I guess my question is, patrol/bugout use aside, do you feel you need a large pack because you will be carrying supplies to the location by foot?

    Quote Originally Posted by maxpetros View Post
    Forgot to mention
    1. The importance of a ruck/quality bag with sustainment gear if you really plan to do any type of recon/bug out/overland movement. With that comes a significant other skillset far outside of shooting and firearms.

    2. Plate carriers don't always play nice with packs over distance. Especially with a ton of stuff on your back. Take time to tweak your set up and pack for long term comfort. Mystery ranch makes some great gear that integrates nicely with armor.
    Yeah, I also assumed that, since a significant quantity of armor was involved in the OP's post, the duration was already planned to be shorter. (1-2 day, maybe overnight)
    IMHO, I'm not a LRRP expert, but if I'm going out on a multi-day trip by foot, it's my understanding you take the big pack and the chest rig, and leave the armor behind. With that kind of weight in a pack, IMHO, unless you MUST do it because of unit SOP, you don't want to wear armor for the sake of comfort (and possible injury). Probably also going to want to ditch the belt kit too so you can use a proper waist belt with the pack.
    I've tried some larger packs with a PC... I really have no wish to *ever* try that for realz.... Although a pack with a good waist belt does seem to help here as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by turnburglar View Post
    You think any of this kit woulda helped Kyle? Kyle had his head on straight. He knew the carbine was for protection. The real mission is providing aid and presence. When shit got weird, kyle went super gun fu on those clowns and he didn't need even a reload.

    Here's a few of my quick points on your kit:

    -patroling in a populated environment; you need your kit strapped down. Afghan kids where wonderful pick pockets. The best way not to loose something? Don't bring it unless you actually need it.

    -unless you are never gonna see a vehicle, the back needs to be slick. If you prefer walking to driving, we are very different people.

    -night time doesn't need a different camo. The same camo that works at daytime in your AO, will still be effective in that same AO but with less visible light.

    -As a civilian (or prior mil no longer on duty status) you really don't need a ton of kit. As other have said: leave all the weird extra items in your pack or the vehicles. The belt and PC should be pretty light. You really aren't gonna be doing far ambushes against RPK's, Dishka's or RPG's. It's the far left. They are barely above children.
    I read your longer write up and was digesting the info, did you edit it and cut it down? I was really taking each critique point by point. You don't have it saved anywhere do you? Thank you, those were good reminders.

    I'm not sure if I have my signature on but I've been in Australia for the past 10 years and haven't humped a load in 10 years either. Way back when I first enlisted and deployed to the middle east, all the basic, AIT and air assault school training went out the window and the company we replaced gave us the hot tips to survive in the sandbox and we just had IOTVs and ended up doing convoy escort so we were pretty light and we didn't carry our own ifaks, everything we could stow in the vehicles.

    10 years in the Outback and out of focus with new products...bear with me.

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