Where to place a forward grip??

**SteyrAUG** · 10-10-20, 03:09

Originally Posted by Bluto

Yeah, they are backwards... I'm still trying to adjust to the safety situation with this gun and so far this angle is kinda working but not really... I think if you are used to the AK platform and it's safety you can probably walk right into this platform but if not there is a learning curve. The original safety is terrible and I haven't really found an after-market solution that is ideal so I've been experimenting.

Actually they suck. They are nothing like an AK safety. When the AK is on safe it is in the UP positions, with those HBI ones safe is in the down position and actually blocks access to the trigger.

But worst of all, generally those HBI safeties are manipulated by the trigger finger, with an AK the safety is typically manipulated by the thumb of the shooting hand. Granted neither is ideal, but the HBI's are a terrible idea. Putting them on backwards has to screw with your grip something terrible doesn't it?

I don't know understand the fascination of buying a known quantity like a CZ and then dropping crap tons of aftermarket shit on it. Don't take it personal but I've seen LOTS worse than yours.

But the suppressor choice for example. I don't think I've seen a more suppressor ready firearm than the stock CZ in a long time. Remove flash and thread protector and add suppressor. It's an incredibly short package as it is, integrally suppressed is going to create heat issues and rob you of slots to attach shit like VFGs.

My 07 buddies are running select fire versions stock with zero problems. Light weight, handy, suppressor ready, etc. My guess is you won't be able to run any kind of VFG because you've gone too custom. Might be able to trick a standard MOE grip in there if you pull the suppressor, maybe not.

Doesn't look like you have a lot of clearance.

**vandal5** · 10-10-20, 10:09

Could you remove the hand guard, install the grip or rail section then grind down the extra screw sticking above the nut and then reinstall the hand guard?

**Bluto** · 10-10-20, 12:25

Originally Posted by SteyrAUG

Actually they suck. They are nothing like an AK safety. When the AK is on safe it is in the UP positions, with those HBI ones safe is in the down position and actually blocks access to the trigger.

But worst of all, generally those HBI safeties are manipulated by the trigger finger, with an AK the safety is typically manipulated by the thumb of the shooting hand. Granted neither is ideal, but the HBI's are a terrible idea. Putting them on backwards has to screw with your grip something terrible doesn't it?

I don't know understand the fascination of buying a known quantity like a CZ and then dropping crap tons of aftermarket shit on it. Don't take it personal but I've seen LOTS worse than yours.

But the suppressor choice for example. I don't think I've seen a more suppressor ready firearm than the stock CZ in a long time. Remove flash and thread protector and add suppressor. It's an incredibly short package as it is, integrally suppressed is going to create heat issues and rob you of slots to attach shit like VFGs.

My 07 buddies are running select fire versions stock with zero problems. Light weight, handy, suppressor ready, etc. My guess is you won't be able to run any kind of VFG because you've gone too custom. Might be able to trick a standard MOE grip in there if you pull the suppressor, maybe not.

Doesn't look like you have a lot of clearance.

I actually bought this gun because of the suppressor. In most respects I agree about trying to reinvent the gun as-is, but in the case of the scorpion the grip and safety is truly awful.

The HBI safety isn't really much better for the exact reason you mentioned.

I was able to install a vfg by cutting down the screws, so that part is taken care of. I'm still trying to find a solution for a hand stop.

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**georgeib** · 10-10-20, 14:03

Originally Posted by Bluto

I actually bought this gun because of the suppressor. In most respects I agree about trying to reinvent the gun as-is, but in the case of the scorpion the grip and safety is truly awful.

The HBI safety isn't really much better for the exact reason you mentioned.

I was able to install a vfg by cutting down the screws, so that part is taken care of. I'm still trying to find a solution for a hand stop.

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If you wanted to, you could move the VFG forward by half a slot. Mount it straddling the back part of the slot in front of the one you have it mounted to, and the front part of the slot it's in now.

**davidk** · 10-11-20, 16:32

I did an article on suppressor compatible handguards for ARs. M-lok rails infuriate me because there is no space for M-lok hardware. Stupid decision to make them. I only buy suppressor handguards that have rails instead of slots. Can you replace the handguard?