So this whole kidnap Whitmer affair.....

[Budget]

I haven't talked to anyone who was directly involved in this investigation other than a couple Troops who were on the ground as marked units.

Sounds like these dudes were total amateur but had absolute intention of kidnapping our "lovely" governess. Lots of communication about shooting it out with LE. Everyone has a plan until there's a gun in your face.

Last time FBI did this it was a few years back against some group called Hutaree in which all charges were dropped. So I'm not real confident this case will go anywhere.

I have been fortunate to work with excellent agents, but they both had time on the job before joining the FBI. I would not have been able to do a lot of my own stuff without their resources. Having worked with a number of agents from pretty much every Fed agency, I have found that the ones with prior local LE experience are the hard chargers who put cases together. The others, interns, significant academic achievement, master's degree holders, etc. tend to overthink things and are often incredibly lazy. In other words, its the guys and gals with street smarts and life experience putting cases together.

I don't think the FBI needs to go away but they sure as hell need some refreshing. They need to recruit from their task forces and local PDs, not college and universities.

[AndyLate]

Perhaps the biggest reason we should shut the FBI down is that they actively attempted to overthrow a sitting President?
As far as the often repeated "I am sure there are good agents out there doing the good work." goes, I'm sure there are "good" people in nearly every line of work and social organizations, but at some point in order to remain "good" they must separate themselves from the "bad" job or the "corrupt" organization in order to remain Good People.
So that whole argument doesn't float anymore thanks in no small part to folks like J Edgar Hoover, Robert Mueller, Jim Comey and now Christopher Wray. So if your Director can't stay out of politics, how did you really think this would turn out?
Yeah, they need disbanded.
BTW Didn't the FBI go through Epstein's Apartment in New York, NY and empty it of all of it's contents to include lists of clients and flight logs? Where is that stuff? who has that list? Who is on that list?

Solid solid post.

I said there are good agents because they are. If we disbanded the FBI, the good agents would succeed somewhere else. All 50 of them.

Andy

[WillBrink]

And the shoe drops, not white supremacists, but Antifa type chit bags:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/09...ing-anarchist/

[flenna]

And the shoe drops, not white supremacists, but Antifa type chit bags:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/09...ing-anarchist/

Won’t see that anywhere else in the news. Whitmer and the rest of the ComDems already made headlines saying it was Trump’s fault because he is a “racist”.

[Averageman]

And the shoe drops, not white supremacists, but Antifa type chit bags:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/09...ing-anarchist/

Won’t see that anywhere else in the news. Whitmer and the rest of the ComDems already made headlines saying it was Trump’s fault because he is a “racist”.

Except if you come here and find a thread.
If we as a group of citizens no longer are covered by the protections of God and the Second Amendment to self defense. The MSM doesn't deserve the first amendment it was given if it isn't going to be fair and impartial anymore.
Whitmer brought a lot of this on herself when she went all Tyrannical Cuomo. How do you publicly air your grievances when the Governor locks everything down?
What people may be forgetting is the Oklahoma City Murrah building/Waco Branch Davidian factor.
Poke that old Bear again and watch the crazies pour out....

[jsbhike]

Except if you come here and find a thread.
If we as a group of citizens no longer are covered by the protections of God and the Second Amendment to self defense. The MSM doesn't deserve the first amendment it was given if it isn't going to be fair and impartial anymore.
Whitmer brought a lot of this on herself when she went all Tyrannical Cuomo. How do you publicly air your grievances when the Governor locks everything down?
What people may be forgetting is the Oklahoma City Murrah building/Waco Branch Davidian factor.
Poke that old Bear again and watch the crazies pour out....

[jsbhike]

One of the players just got arrested for domestic violence.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...sk/8013618002/

[Twilk73]

Several of the involved individuals where undercover fbi. I read that in an article sorry I can't recall where.

[SomeOtherGuy]

Huge article with tons of info, some of it new, for anyone interested:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...-fbi-informant

(no, I never imagined that anything on buzzfeed would be serious or relevant journalism... but it's 2021 and here we are.)

Summarized new info, apparently based on the above article, for the tl;dr crowd:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...-involved-plot

[ABNAK]

Huge article with tons of info, some of it new, for anyone interested:

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...-fbi-informant

(no, I never imagined that anything on buzzfeed would be serious or relevant journalism... but it's 2021 and here we are.)

Summarized new info, apparently based on the above article, for the tl;dr crowd:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...-involved-plot

Twelve FBI agents involved huh? They had to be running into each other.

When it comes to Amerika's own KGB I would be perfectly willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. ALL of them get fired, the organization gutted from HRT right on down the line (and be sure not to miss those political admin/power types either). Start from scratch. Rename it. Farm out many of their existing responsibilities to other agencies. If you've worked for the FBI you do NOT get a chance at being rehired. Considerably narrow their scope of future enforcement.

Oh, and repeal that "lying to a Federal agent" bullshit law while you're at it.