So this whole kidnap Whitmer affair.....

[rocsteady]

I say it’s all a setup. The FBI should have their charter taken away and disbanded. With every single member fired with prejudice. No pension, no moving to another agency, nothing for years of disrespect and illegal service. I’ve never met a Fed that wasn’t an arrogant asshole and these guys are so blatantly corrupted for various reasons, they can’t be entrusted to fairly investigate and uphold the law. And any BS about rank and file, **** them too. They are just as complicit in everything as they’re doing the actual field work and know the results.


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Wow, talk about painting with a broad brush. I came from the private sector and started working for the FBI as a uniformed police officer (read highly-trained (eventually, mostly on my own efforts) glorified security guard) in 2006 and was quite proud of the agency. Then Comey completely ruined that with the politics that became blatantly obvious with his awful and disgusting actions. I couldn't hate that sanctimonious prick or what I think he did to our reputation any more if my life depended on it; then we find out about the agents that plotted right along and perpetrated all this against Trump.

You are 100% right to think the Bureau has become a disgrace but there are also are a ton of employees who agree with you. Personally, I now run the operations center of the Philadelphia office and have no qualms about pointing out the crap we get into when it's deserved, like all the grandmas we're locking up for Jan 6. Matter of fact, I've been in to see people in our executive management on a number of occasions to ask about stuff, not believing it could be true or trying to see if there was another side to the story. For example, we are still locking up and actively looking for the terrorists that tried to burn down the country all last summer. But we only get publicized for the Jan. 6 people because that's all the media care about. I wish we could put out the word more but our powers that be, choose not too, sadly. BUT, like so many other agencies and businesses and communities, there are people who feel both ways about what's happening in our country. Support personnel, read "non agents," are about as complicit in this crap as the guy who sells the tires to the guy who grows the crops where the sugar is made to sell to woka cola. Support personnel, secretaries, electricians, computer IT people, facilities managers, HR personnel have NOTHING, ZERO, NADA to do with field operations, what the squads are looking at, who they pick as a snitch, how they work.

I do agree, the guys that tried to blow up Fort Dix in NJ years ago are an example. There wasn't a 67 IQ if you added them all up. NO WAY they hatched that plot all on their own or had the slightest idea how to make any of it come together. I felt very strongly that they were entrapped and this Michigan thing is looking much the same. Don't get me wrong, there are a bunch of, mostly younger, newer employees who are just as woke as can be and I hate every one of them for that. I do my best to inject a little reality into the world of those that work for me, not as carefully as I should in this day and age as I am sure I run afoul of the hatch act regularly, but I'd like to think I'm a decent boss and am just passing along things I've learned and experienced to people who have not learned and experienced much of anything but what they were force fed in school.

So, I get your frustration but don't for a second think that you're even close to right on what the average, non-agent, FBI employee knows or has even an inkling about where field operations are concerned. And I have met a TON of truly superb people working here, along with plenty of the typical "everyone owes me a living" career government employee too. And no, I'm not going to just throw away 15 years of work toward my pension and retirement because the jackasses at the top of my agency and quite a few below that, have lost their moral compass and forgotten what we are supposed to stand for. I'd like to think I can still be part of what's good about what we do. I continue to do my job and support what, as I see on a day to day basis, is pretty good work, with lots of local law enforcement partners. We lock up a lot of truly awful people for things that they should be locked up for every day. If the situation continues to degrade to the level that it did in the collusion delusion and now this type of thing in Michigan, at some point it just may be time to find a company with better leadership.

[rocsteady]

Twelve FBI agents involved huh? They had to be running into each other.

When it comes to Amerika's own KGB I would be perfectly willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. ALL of them get fired, the organization gutted from HRT right on down the line (and be sure not to miss those political admin/power types either). Start from scratch. Rename it. Farm out many of their existing responsibilities to other agencies. If you've worked for the FBI you do NOT get a chance at being rehired. Considerably narrow their scope of future enforcement.

Oh, and repeal that "lying to a Federal agent" bullshit law while you're at it.

And if you had any idea at all, even the slightest clue about the hundreds of spectacular jobs the HRT have completed in just the last couple years, you certainly would not have included them in your list of disbanded entities. That part of your statement definitely goes in the "you don't know what you don't know" department, FYI.

[ABNAK]

And if you had any idea at all, even the slightest clue about the hundreds of spectacular jobs the HRT have completed in just the last couple years, you certainly would not have included them in your list of disbanded entities. That part of your statement definitely goes in the "you don't know what you don't know" department, FYI.

They are good at what they do, but they are part of that organization. I can make assumptions, but can I verify their political leanings (which despite what some may say, are indeed pertinent these days) and their willingness to disobey some future direct order that is shady? Obviously the answer is not for internet consumption, but suffice it to say I have my doubts.

Look, even the U.S. military is effectively being purged of what the Regime deems to be "extremists". Guess who that is in their minds? What they define as a "normal" person (you seem to fit that, and not in a derogatory way) excludes 90+% of us here on M4C. Why then would it be hard to believe that our premier LE agency in the nation is, and has been, quite heavily pushed into a left-leaning organization with the power to arrest, imprison, or kill you? The FBI led the whole BS investigation, initiated under false pretenses, that sought to bring down Orange Man. Just like the military, the 8 years of Obama and his purity litmus test allowed enough mid-range jackoffs to survive and surprise! they're top chiefs now. Agency heads, Assistants, Deputy Assistants (etc.), Generals, Admirals, the vast majority of them in 2021.

I don't wish anyone to lose a job. But damn, we're at a point where we have an organization that has enormous powers, a judiciary largely rubber-stamping what they do, all at the behest of the corrupt politicians they are beholden to. Since the FBI is the "shield" of the Federal state I say that it is where the cleaning should start as well as against the perpetually dirty politicians. Simultaneously it's win-win: the pols can't subvert the investigation by using the FBI. The FBI can't count on the pols to pass some law effectively exonerating them. They both get hung out to dry. Yeah, it's a pipe-dream I know.

Where I work takes flak quite often, much of it deserved....but not all of it. You sound like one of the people doing their job, to spec and not to political whims. You guys gotta clean house but it won't come from introspection, or (at least for a few years) ordered from above.

You posted this above: " I continue to do my job and support what, as I see on a day to day basis, is pretty good work, with lots of local law enforcement partners. We lock up a lot of truly awful people for things that they should be locked up for every day. If the situation continues to degrade to the level that it did in the collusion delusion and now this type of thing in Michigan, at some point it just may be time to find a company with better leadership.

Sounds good to me. Hopefully the leadership at that company will be changed and the albatross removed before it becomes necessary to seek other employment. Kudos.

[rocsteady]

When I joined, I thought I'd retire from the police unit. Couldn't make that work due to financial reasons, and getting too old to work three jobs to keep the police dream alive. Never thought that would happen. Never crossed my mind that I'd ever feel the way I do now about our agency as a whole either. My son and a bunch of what had become great friends, all got out of the Army when their time was up for the reasons you cited, weeding out good people and replacing with like-minded, useful idiots. He's off to the National Guard and other avenues. I'm hoping I can stay and help to keep it from getting worse; who knows but it's a sick feeling for sure.

[just a scout]

When I joined, I thought I'd retire from the police unit. Couldn't make that work due to financial reasons, and getting too old to work three jobs to keep the police dream alive. Never thought that would happen. Never crossed my mind that I'd ever feel the way I do now about our agency as a whole either. My son and a bunch of what had become great friends, all got out of the Army when their time was up for the reasons you cited, weeding out good people and replacing with like-minded, useful idiots. He's off to the National Guard and other avenues. I'm hoping I can stay and help to keep it from getting worse; who knows but it's a sick feeling for sure.

Sorry brother. I don’t think you’ll be able to stem the tide. That’s trying to stop a River with a pebble. It will get much worse before it had a hope of getting.


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[SteyrAUG]

And if you had any idea at all, even the slightest clue about the hundreds of spectacular jobs the HRT have completed in just the last couple years, you certainly would not have included them in your list of disbanded entities. That part of your statement definitely goes in the "you don't know what you don't know" department, FYI.

I only know what little I know about the HRT during a specific time frame, but what little I know is astonishing as it relates to events like Ruby Ridge and Waco. I'd like to think it was the HRT's darkest hour and they have been nothing but white knights ever since, but I'm not really dialed in enough to know.

I personally knew some guys employed in Miami when the whole Flagler bank robbers thing went to hell. I learned about the depth of the fiasco and the resulting changes when everybody else did when the FBI changed almost everything they did and how they did it. FBI under Clinton / Reno was pretty scary, but to be honest the FBI under Bush 41 was nothing to brag about. Their entire mission seemed devoted to destroying White Supremacist Groups (sound familiar) and this ranged from legit bad boys like what remained of The Order, to Aryan Nations to Tom Metzgers WAR. But even those complete F tards never equaled the destruction and body count of Crips and Bloods nationwide.

The FBI under Comey was nothing impressive but not sure it was better or worse then the days of Louis Freeh. That guy was a real piece of work.

Glad there are some good guys in the ranks and there always have been, but you guys typically aren't making policy and are usually outranked, outnumbered and overruled by guys who shouldn't be allowed the responsibility of being a Wendy's night manager.

But again, that is based upon my limited personal knowledge of how things worked and how things were done in specific areas and during specific periods of history.

[rocsteady]

So I had been in the Bureau for about 7 years when I finally got to see the inner workings of the HRT and I was astounded at how many different "jobs" they had worked around the country, almost always with no one knowing it was them. SEALS would have written 127 books and made 18 movies about the things HRT has done; no offense to SEALs of course as they are certainly not compensated properly for the risks they take by the government, but I digress. Anyway, truly amazing stuff. Great internal video, not sure if it's available publicly, of them jumping down into a hail of gunfire to rescue that kid from the bunker in Alabama?

As for the "plot" of this thread. Sought out some first hand information after connecting some dots on a fellow employee. The original plot was definitely not cooked up by any informant but whether it was just fantasy at that point is, I'm sure, arguable. Another fact is that they are certainly not right wing, or Trump supporters, or even racists. They are however a group that just hates government, period. And yes, dumb; a resounding theme in the information I was getting was that, holy cow were they stupid. Also, Whitmer was informed and knew all about it months before it happened. So her little speech the day after was something she'd had plenty of time to work on.

My personal opinion is that, sadly and shamefully, again, the timing seems just too coincidental when lined up with the election and Whitmer's just awful performance of her job up to that point. It really was coming to a head how completely inept she was and this deflected away from her being completely drunk with power.

[utahjeepr]

So I had been in the Bureau for about 7 years when I finally got to see the inner workings of the HRT and I was astounded at how many different "jobs" they had worked around the country, almost always with no one knowing it was them. SEALS would have written 127 books and made 18 movies about the things HRT has done; no offense to SEALs of course as they are certainly not compensated properly for the risks they take by the government, but I digress. Anyway, truly amazing stuff. Great internal video, not sure if it's available publicly, of them jumping down into a hail of gunfire to rescue that kid from the bunker in Alabama?

As for the "plot" of this thread. Sought out some first hand information after connecting some dots on a fellow employee. The original plot was definitely not cooked up by any informant but whether it was just fantasy at that point is, I'm sure, arguable. Another fact is that they are certainly not right wing, or Trump supporters, or even racists. They are however a group that just hates government, period. And yes, dumb; a resounding theme in the information I was getting was that, holy cow were they stupid. Also, Whitmer was informed and knew all about it months before it happened. So her little speech the day after was something she'd had plenty of time to work on.

My personal opinion is that, sadly and shamefully, again, the timing seems just too coincidental when lined up with the election and Whitmer's just awful performance of her job up to that point. It really was coming to a head how completely inept she was and this deflected away from her being completely drunk with power.

The whole damned thing was a setup designed by the FBI to create sympathy for witless Whitmer and throw shade at Trump supporters. Everybody knows it, most will not admit it.

Now one of the agents is accused of felony DV for beating his wife. Apparently he took her to a swinger party and she didn't wanna play. Gotta love it. Fine, upstanding fellow he is.

The FBI is the Democrats version of the Gestapo/Stasi. The only ones still denying that are the holdouts that think the FBI can be saved. That rot goes too deep. Are there good men and women there? Certainly. Any at the top? Absolutely not. As I've said before, the good ones are probably hoping to do the job and not to be forced to chose "good or evil" before they retire. Sorry to the good guys, but the DOJ/FBI leadership ain't even trying to hide it anymore.

[Twilk73]

What's the consequence? Oh nothing, no one does nothing, no one gets in trouble. Except the followers that the fbi led on this witch hunt. Let's band together and ****ing raid the fbi and hold them accountable. Fck the fbi and the nsa, all of them.

[Averageman]

What's the consequence? Oh nothing, no one does nothing, no one gets in trouble. Except the followers that the fbi led on this witch hunt. Let's band together and ****ing raid the fbi and hold them accountable. Fck the fbi and the nsa, all of them.

This explains the whole affair.