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    ATF Interpretive Change Restricts Handgun Imports and May Require NFA Registration

    ATF Interpretive Change Restricts Handgun Imports and May Require NFA Registration

    https://comms.wiley.law/8/3583/octob...tration(2).asp


    The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has recently changed the manner in which it interprets the statutory and regulatory definition of “handgun,” thereby further limiting the types of firearms eligible for importation. These determinations are not public, so it is difficult for the regulated community to assess and track shifting agency positions...


    In some of the new letters, ATF has begun listing the following “objective design features” when making its evaluations:

    Incorporation of rifle sights;
    Utilization of "rifle caliber ammunition" (both 5.56mm and 7.62mm have been considered as such);
    Incorporation of “rifle-length barrel;”
    The “weapon’s heavy weight;”
    Ability to accept magazines that range in capacity from 20 rounds to 100 rounds, “which will contribute to the overall weight of the firearm”;
    Overall length of the weapon which “creates a front-heavy imbalance when held in one hand.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by georgeib View Post
    ATF Interpretive Change Restricts Handgun Imports and May Require NFA Registration

    https://comms.wiley.law/8/3583/octob...tration(2).asp


    The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has recently changed the manner in which it interprets the statutory and regulatory definition of “handgun,” thereby further limiting the types of firearms eligible for importation. These determinations are not public, so it is difficult for the regulated community to assess and track shifting agency positions...


    In some of the new letters, ATF has begun listing the following “objective design features” when making its evaluations:

    Incorporation of rifle sights;
    Utilization of "rifle caliber ammunition" (both 5.56mm and 7.62mm have been considered as such);
    Incorporation of “rifle-length barrel;”
    The “weapon’s heavy weight;”
    Ability to accept magazines that range in capacity from 20 rounds to 100 rounds, “which will contribute to the overall weight of the firearm”;
    Overall length of the weapon which “creates a front-heavy imbalance when held in one hand.”
    This and the Honey Badger decision just makes me think they are getting warmed up for a Harris/Biden administration. Creating felons by decree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flenna View Post
    This and the Honey Badger decision just makes me think they are getting warmed up for a Harris/Biden administration. Creating felons by decree.
    Just remember, if everyone is a felon then nobody is a felon.


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    Someone challenge the BATmen to show us, "sporting purposes," in the Constitution.

    I'll wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_War_Wagon View Post
    Someone challenge the BATmen to show us, "sporting purposes," in the Constitution.

    I'll wait.
    Nothing in the 1968 GCA is supported by the constitution. But here we are.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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    Oh boy. More interpretations.

    I love interpretations. It’s like you can make up whatever you want. Like an ink blot test.

    Doesn’t matter about the law or constitution.

    It’s like someone saying “It came to me in a dream” or “it was real in my mind”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    Oh boy. More interpretations.

    I love interpretations. It’s like you can make up whatever you want. Like an ink blot test.

    Doesn’t matter about the law or constitution.

    It’s like someone saying “It came to me in a dream” or “it was real in my mind”
    Yeah well, it's going to be a nightmare soon enough...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    Oh boy. More interpretations.

    I love interpretations. It’s like you can make up whatever you want. Like an ink blot test.

    Doesn’t matter about the law or constitution.

    It’s like someone saying “It came to me in a dream” or “it was real in my mind”
    So long as the sentence "The ATF has determined..." can result in new laws that may or may not even contradict ATF specific definitions, there is no stopping them.

    And AGAIN for anyone who hasn't heard me say it 100 times yet...this ALL comes from the "sporting clause" within the 1968 Gun Control Act. It's what allows ATF to determine if a particular firearm has a "sporting application or not" and it's really just guidelines rather than hard and fast rules they must adhere to in order to make a determination.

    If we could just get the sporting clause struck from the 68 GCA, all of this romper room nonsense would vanish. No more 922r, no more domestic vs foreign manufacture, no more 89 import ban and quite honestly no more restrictions of imported machine guns post 68 or domestic machine guns post 86.

    If people put the effort they put into crying about bump stocks and arm braces into getting rid of the sporter clause, nobody would need a bump stock or arm brace.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    If people put the effort they put into crying about bump stocks and arm braces into getting rid of the sporter clause, nobody would need a bump stock or arm brace.
    Other than for State level BS. For example, in WA a Mk 18 pistol is legal for loaded carry in a vehicle with a carry permit, an SBR is not. And then there's the "Mother May I" bullshit having to apply for a permission slip to take your SBR across state lines... the AR pistol does have its small niche for cases like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    Oh boy. More interpretations.

    I love interpretations. It’s like you can make up whatever you want. Like an ink blot test.

    Doesn’t matter about the law or constitution.

    It’s like someone saying “It came to me in a dream” or “it was real in my mind”
    Someone saying they have an "idea" I can handle to some extent, even if I don't like the idea.

    Politicians almost always want to tell you about their "vision". I have to assume they really are having visions which means they are "seeing shit" and don't need to be running around loose, much less with a say in anything.

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