ATF Interpretive Change Restricts Handgun Imports and May Require NFA Registration

[scottryan]

Just pay for your tax stamp like a good little sheep.

After all if you just comply you have nothing to worry about.

Ok dude

If anyone has been paying attention they want all firearms subject to stricter regulation and registration. Bump stocks braces etc never mattered and they sure as fuvk weren’t going to do anything to change the end goal but you keep selling yourself the fantasy of compliance equals safety.

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You don't get it.

Its about winning in court. Things like arm braces and bumpstocks blur the line between regular rifle vs. SBR or semi vs. machinegun.

Its about having a case to sue the government over and hopefully get a 2A friendly federal judge.

Trump and the NRA had different reasons for regulation bumpstocks.

Trump wanted them gone because he doesn't like guns.

The NRA wanted them regulated because the NRA has spend the past 35 years correctly telling the public that an AR-15 is not a machinegun.

Now you have a bumpstock that creates near MG level fire for a semi auto AR-15; that can set up a court case that doesn't work in our favor.

[Firefly]

You don't get it.

Its about winning in court. Things like arm braces and bumpstocks blur the line between regular rifle vs. SBR or semi vs. machinegun.

Its about having a case to sue the government over and hopefully get a 2A friendly federal judge.

Trump and the NRA had different reasons for regulation bumpstocks.

Trump wanted them gone because he doesn't like guns.

The NRA wanted them regulated because the NRA has spend the past 35 years correctly telling the public that an AR-15 is not a machinegun.

Now you have a bumpstock that creates near MG level fire for a semi auto AR-15; that can set up a court case that doesn't work in our favor.

Just keep paying your taxes and everything will work out amirite?

[scottryan]

Just keep paying your taxes and everything will work out amirite?

I'm waiting for your detailed legal strategy.

[Renegade]

Don't comply, problem solved.

Any 08 importer that does not comply will lose lose their FFL and may even go to jail.

[jsbhike]

The elite support for gun bans was a thing long before bump stocks or arm braces. It is the rare judge that will fully rule against gun bans or any other infringement on liberties because a peon having a taste of freedom devalues the near limitless privileges the judge(& other special people) have been anointed with.

It is also important to remember the NRA stumped for NFA 34 and GCA 68 which are very much at the center of all of this.

[Firefly]

I'm waiting for your detailed legal strategy.

Who said it was legal?

[jpmuscle]

You don't get it.

Its about winning in court. Things like arm braces and bumpstocks blur the line between regular rifle vs. SBR or semi vs. machinegun.

Its about having a case to sue the government over and hopefully get a 2A friendly federal judge.

Trump and the NRA had different reasons for regulation bumpstocks.

Trump wanted them gone because he doesn't like guns.

The NRA wanted them regulated because the NRA has spend the past 35 years correctly telling the public that an AR-15 is not a machinegun.

Now you have a bumpstock that creates near MG level fire for a semi auto AR-15; that can set up a court case that doesn't work in our favor.

Good luck with that. The cards are already on the table face up. Let us know when you come back to reality.


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[SteyrAUG]

It is also important to remember the NRA stumped for NFA 34 and GCA 68 which are very much at the center of all of this.

So two things.

In 1934 the NRA wasn't really a political activist organization so much as they were dedicated to promoting gun safety and shooting events. That they would have a conventional view of the firearms used by Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, etc. isn't very remarkable.

And not to give them a pass on 1968 but they did very much support the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act which was much better than the version Hughes / Rodino wanted to pass which was basically a closed registry where no further transfers are possible and it included ALL NFA weapons (SBRs, SBSs, Suppressors, MGs and AOWs). So if you owned it in 1986 you were the final owner, no Form 5s or transfers of any kind.

[SteyrAUG]

You don't get it.

Its about winning in court. Things like arm braces and bumpstocks blur the line between regular rifle vs. SBR or semi vs. machinegun.

Its about having a case to sue the government over and hopefully get a 2A friendly federal judge.

Trump and the NRA had different reasons for regulation bumpstocks.

Trump wanted them gone because he doesn't like guns.

The NRA wanted them regulated because the NRA has spend the past 35 years correctly telling the public that an AR-15 is not a machinegun.

Now you have a bumpstock that creates near MG level fire for a semi auto AR-15; that can set up a court case that doesn't work in our favor.

While much of this is true, guy on TOS used to be famous for bump firing a garand off his belt loop. Are we gonna eventually add belt loops to shoe strings and every other goddamn ridiculous ATF ruling including the famous "empty volume of air constitutes a new machine gun" determination?

I get it, bump stocks are stupid and resulted in a new ATF definition they can then use to screw us harder.

I get it, arm braces are stupid and may result in a new ATF definition they can then use to screw us harder.

But we have to stop throwing everyone under the bus. If ATF approves it in the first place, then they have to just shut the F up and sit there when we creatively exploit their stupid definitions.

And more importantly, can we just find somebody with some balls and go on the offensive already? I swear I will become a lifetime member of the Pink Pistol if those homos sack up and go after the "sporter clause."

[jsbhike]

So two things.

In 1934 the NRA wasn't really a political activist organization so much as they were dedicated to promoting gun safety and shooting events. That they would have a conventional view of the firearms used by Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, etc. isn't very remarkable.

And not to give them a pass on 1968 but they did very much support the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act which was much better than the version Hughes / Rodino wanted to pass which was basically a closed registry where no further transfers are possible and it included ALL NFA weapons (SBRs, SBSs, Suppressors, MGs and AOWs). So if you owned it in 1986 you were the final owner, no Form 5s or transfers of any kind.

It may surprise you, but I would love to be able to point to the date when NRA got either of those repealed. I would even be happy with an honest attempt at growing them.

Milking the fall out from both for all it is worth is a whole different story.