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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    In case you weren't certain, the "sporting purpose" clause is what gives ATF the ability to make those vague determinations. Take that away and they have to strictly abide by definitions, they have no room for interpretation because there is nothing to interpret.

    It would literally become a matter of "is this a taxable and regulated item?" and if so "has the tax been paid." Firearms would be treated pretty much like alcohol and tobacco and simply regulated.
    Problem is, we need a Triple Crown to get there, with a legislator up on the arcana enough to grasp its significance and effective enough to con 500 walking wastes of viable transplant organs to go along with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Problem is, we need a Triple Crown to get there, with a legislator up on the arcana enough to grasp its significance and effective enough to con 500 walking wastes of viable transplant organs to go along with it.
    Yep, and the last time anyone did anything to the 68 GCA was all the way back in 1986 and nobody remembers any of the good parts.

    But it would be nice if some kind of national body, like perhaps a huge firearm association, could direct everyone's awareness and energy to the fact that it is the "sporter clause" within the 1968 GCA that is causing all these problems.

    Seems that 19 out of 20 NRA members don't even know it's a thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Yep, and the last time anyone did anything to the 68 GCA was all the way back in 1986 and nobody remembers any of the good parts.

    But it would be nice if some kind of national body, like perhaps a huge firearm association, could direct everyone's awareness and energy to the fact that it is the "sporter clause" within the 1968 GCA that is causing all these problems.

    Seems that 19 out of 20 NRA members don't even know it's a thing.
    So... Door #1, Kevin at Q needs to put a bug in Eric or Don Jr's ear. Door #2, we find a way to lop off Wayne's Wankers and get somebody to lead NRA who isn't into Failure Theater and announce that repeal of Sporter Clause will be a Scored Vote, and anything less than full support means bye-bye endorsement.
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    Don't comply, problem solved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Yep, and the last time anyone did anything to the 68 GCA was all the way back in 1986 and nobody remembers any of the good parts.

    But it would be nice if some kind of national body, like perhaps a huge firearm association, could direct everyone's awareness and energy to the fact that it is the "sporter clause" within the 1968 GCA that is causing all these problems.

    Seems that 19 out of 20 NRA members don't even know it's a thing.
    I’m not convinced said 19 out of 20 NRA members do not otherwise support restrictions on all the bougie stuff we love. Sometimes our worst enemies are of our own doing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    Yep, and the last time anyone did anything to the 68 GCA was all the way back in 1986 and nobody remembers any of the good parts.

    But it would be nice if some kind of national body, like perhaps a huge firearm association, could direct everyone's awareness and energy to the fact that it is the "sporter clause" within the 1968 GCA that is causing all these problems.

    Seems that 19 out of 20 NRA members don't even know it's a thing.
    Probably because they stumped for it in the first place and claiming to fight it's effects have put a lot of clothes on someone's back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t1tan View Post
    Don't comply, problem solved.
    This x 1000

    Everyone at the ATF can sit their tyrannical ass on a cactus.

    I bet they didn't verify if the weapons they gave to cartels during Fast and Furious were 922 compliant or had barrels 16" or more in length.

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    FVCK the ATF, they are bunch of cucks and rent boys.

    What I would do if I were in a position of power...

    I'd gut the federal alphabet agencies by 95%. Off with their heads. First I'd completely completely axe the ATF, FBI, CIA, NSA, DHS- then I would cut up the IRS like an 80's slasher flick and completely annihilate the Fed Reserve.

    Anyone from the top down to the street in any of those agencies would be banned from any form of government work or contracting for life and some would be castrated just to drive the point home and I'd throw in a crucifixion or two just to make Flyman happy.

    We need to go on the offensive with killing the sporter clause and then keep pushing to eliminate all 2A infringements. It's always a defensive position for the 2A, when it is one of the most clearly defined and thought out amendments/Rights we have, it's such bullshit and I am so tired of it.

    If I were President I would undo just about every former presidents EO's before me and then EO the shit out of everything to get back to a lean and mean minimalist/Constituional Republic.

    The ATF interpretations are just sickening. I shall not comply with one single thing they have to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpmuscle View Post
    I’m not convinced said 19 out of 20 NRA members do not otherwise support restrictions on all the bougie stuff we love. Sometimes our worst enemies are of our own doing.


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    That factors, but "sporter clause" hits everyone. It what prevents imported pocket pistols which cheeses off the CCW guys. Only recently were we able to get .380 Glocks and you still can't bring in a legit PPK.

    Also prevents the import of some semi auto shotguns which gets into Fudd territory a little bit.

    It's what ended imports of 7N6 and almost caused the end of similar 5.56 ammo. And that hit's shooters mostly across the board.

    It rarely effects NFA stuff because they are already regulated. Really doesn't impact ARs because all of them are domestic production. But it did provide the basis for bump stocks, could allow for a ban on arm braces and things of that nature.

    I really do think 19 out of 20 are just poorly informed gun people who are incapable of independent research and would honestly rather post "Damn ATF messing with my rights" stuff across the internet than seek out the root of the problem and propose and pursue solutions.

    Nobody even knew what the Heller case was until after it was won. Then it was all "WOOO HOOO! [insert favorite NFL team here] won superbowl!!!!!"
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THCDDM4 View Post
    FVCK the ATF, they are bunch of cucks and rent boys.

    What I would do if I were in a position of power...

    I'd gut the federal alphabet agencies by 95%. Off with their heads. First I'd completely completely axe the ATF, FBI, CIA, NSA, DHS- then I would cut up the IRS like an 80's slasher flick and completely annihilate the Fed Reserve.

    Anyone from the top down to the street in any of those agencies would be banned from any form of government work or contracting for life and some would be castrated just to drive the point home and I'd throw in a crucifixion or two just to make Flyman happy.

    We need to go on the offensive with killing the sporter clause and then keep pushing to eliminate all 2A infringements. It's always a defensive position for the 2A, when it is one of the most clearly defined and thought out amendments/Rights we have, it's such bullshit and I am so tired of it.

    If I were President I would undo just about every former presidents EO's before me and then EO the shit out of everything to get back to a lean and mean minimalist/Constituional Republic.

    The ATF interpretations are just sickening. I shall not comply with one single thing they have to say.
    It would be even easier than that, just remove ATF from the DOJ and return them to the "tax status" branch they used to be concerned with regulation of alcohol, tobacco and firearms with licensed distributors, etc.

    If they find somebody with an unregistered item who is not otherwise a criminal then that person should have to pay the $200 tax or surrender the item. Nobody gets their doors kicked and dogs shot for having untaxed cigarettes.

    Now if it's a criminal in possession of a machine gun, then that is a criminal matter because we are talking about criminals.

    That's the way the world should be working. And if it were completely up to me, there is a country in Northern Europe that issues machine gun collectors licenses where you pay ONE TIME and can then own and import any current production or collectible machine gun you can find and buy.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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