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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    This is why I only buy stripped lowers...
    I don’t see what problem that is supposed to solve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MountainRaven View Post
    I don’t see what problem that is supposed to solve.
    It means you're at the bottom of the list, not the top.
    What if this whole crusade's a charade?
    And behind it all there's a price to be paid
    For the blood which we dine
    Justified in the name of the holy and the divine…

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    This is trump's fault.

    Trump's 2A coalition never existed.

    He laid the groundwork for this with the bumpstock ban.

    Chuck Canterbury (trump's interim ATF director) is staunchly anti gun.

    Bill Barr is anti gun, and presided over the ruby ridge incident.

    With that said, it was wreckless for the industry to invent and market bumpstocks and arm braces in the the first place. Everyone knew what they were getting away with, operating in the very gray area. Now this has come back to regulating pistol versions of rifles, which was the ATF's ultimate goal in the first place. If arm braces didn't exist; we probably wouldn't be having a discussion about this new type of AOW. The arm brace gave ATF the legal and political clout they needed make these pistols into AOWs.

    In comes down to intent in court, not the technical definition of machinery. Everyone who had a bumpstock or arm brace flaunted about what they were getting away with. It was an untenable position that was on borrowed time.

    The bumpstock was a set-up. ATF approved them and wanted to set up a court case where a factory M16 would be shown in video A and then a semi auto equipped AR-15 with bumpstock would be shown in video B. What do you think a jury is going to think about this? They would declare there is no difference. Then the "readily convertible" theory would be declared and all semi auto AR-15s would be declared MGs in and of themselves; because a jury or judge would rule they are too easy to convert to full auto.
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    Someone challenge the BATmen to show us, "sporting purposes," in the Constitution.

    I'll wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    How much were PKMs?
    I don’t remember any PMKs, but I think they had RPKs in with the AKs.

    Quote Originally Posted by jpmuscle View Post
    Dude....


    That would’ve been awesome.


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    Right!?!

    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    For $150 you could've made bank just stripping parts off them and destroying the naughty bits.
    Like I said, if I would have know then what I know now, I could have cleaned up.

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    ATF Interpretive Change Restricts Handgun Imports and May Require NFA Registration

    Quote Originally Posted by scottryan View Post
    This is trump's fault.

    Trump's 2A coalition never existed.

    He laid the groundwork for this with the bumpstock ban.

    Chuck Canterbury (trump's interim ATF director) is staunchly anti gun.

    Bill Barr is anti gun, and presided over the ruby ridge incident.

    With that said, it was wreckless for the industry to invent and market bumpstocks and arm braces in the the first place. Everyone knew what they were getting away with, operating in the very gray area. Now this has come back to regulating pistol versions of rifles, which was the ATF's ultimate goal in the first place. If arm braces didn't exist; we probably wouldn't be having a discussion about this new type of AOW. The arm brace gave ATF the legal and political clout they needed make these pistols into AOWs.

    In comes down to intent in court, not the technical definition of machinery. Everyone who had a bumpstock or arm brace flaunted about what they were getting away with. It was an untenable position that was on borrowed time.

    The bumpstock was a set-up. ATF approved them and wanted to set up a court case where a factory M16 would be shown in video A and then a semi auto equipped AR-15 with bumpstock would be shown in video B. What do you think a jury is going to think about this? They would declare there is no difference. Then the "readily convertible" theory would be declared and all semi auto AR-15s would be declared MGs in and of themselves; because a jury or judge would rule they are too easy to convert to full auto.
    Just pay for your tax stamp like a good little sheep.

    After all if you just comply you have nothing to worry about.

    Ok dude

    If anyone has been paying attention they want all firearms subject to stricter regulation and registration. Bump stocks braces etc never mattered and they sure as fuvk weren’t going to do anything to change the end goal but you keep selling yourself the fantasy of compliance equals safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korgs130 View Post
    In the summer of 2003 there were a group of folks at Saddam Hussein International Airport who had small market back room market with battlefield pickups. AKs were $100 a piece. I was very tempted to grab one of the MP5s they had for $150. I didn’t. I wasn’t much of a gun guy at the time, and had no clue on any gun regulations other than the fact that non registered machine guns were illegal. If I knew then, what I know now, I may have made the purchase.
    Yeah, but the military was coming down hard on that stuff. I seem to recall some guys who got pee pee smacked hard for just bringing in AK mags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_War_Wagon View Post
    Someone challenge the BATmen to show us, "sporting purposes," in the Constitution.

    I'll wait.
    Nothing in the 1968 GCA is supported by the constitution. But here we are.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    This is why I only buy stripped lowers...
    If I remember correctly, SteyrAUG can correct me, but at one time all receivers on a 4473 were checked as a pistol. It took a couple years to update the form to add receiver as it’s own box for the dealer to check off on.

    Also, here is a question, if does come down to register it or whatever, making it a rifle is an option? Right, you can make a pistol or receiver a rifle, just not make a rifle into a pistol. Is that still the case?
    Last edited by arbninftry; 10-28-20 at 18:21.

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