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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbhike View Post
    It may surprise you, but I would love to be able to point to the date when NRA got either of those repealed. I would even be happy with an honest attempt at growing them.

    Milking the fall out from both for all it is worth is a whole different story.
    I'm just doing the entire picture thing. You and I are both very aware of their failings and efforts, we also both find them very wanting.

    Once Reagan was in power the NRA should have gone full tilt after the sporter clause, I don't think there was ever a better opportunity. It wasn't gonna happen in the late 60s or early 70s and it sure wasn't going to happen during the Clinton years or during the Bush 41 administration.

    Could have possibly attempted it in early 2008 when Obama swelled the ranks of life members to previously unknown numbers, but there would have been a lot of push back. And even though Trump isn't the second amendment crusader he promised to be, RIGHT NOW would actually be a pretty good time to try it...IF the NRA actually had any balls. But everyone is too busy trying to help crucify LePierre to spend time doing anything really meaningful.

    But shouldn't surprise me, last time anyone really stepped up and executed a "**** NO" moment was in September 2004 when Sen Larry Craig refused to allow the renewal of the Clinton Ban be amended to his industry protection bill, but because he was a homo who cruised airport bathrooms for hookups and got caught, he was rewarded by being voted OFF the NRA board of directors because you can't defend gun owners and blow random dudes in the airport bathroom.

    Sadly at the end of the day the NRA values are a collection of how the overall membership feels and those guys can be damn disappointing at times.

    Oh and btw, 1986 was a date when the NRA managed to get much of the 1968 Gun Control Act repealed. So there is that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteyrAUG View Post
    I'm just doing the entire picture thing. You and I are both very aware of their failings and efforts, we also both find them very wanting.

    Once Reagan was in power the NRA should have gone full tilt after the sporter clause, I don't think there was ever a better opportunity. It wasn't gonna happen in the late 60s or early 70s and it sure wasn't going to happen during the Clinton years or during the Bush 41 administration.

    Could have possibly attempted it in early 2008 when Obama swelled the ranks of life members to previously unknown numbers, but there would have been a lot of push back. And even though Trump isn't the second amendment crusader he promised to be, RIGHT NOW would actually be a pretty good time to try it...IF the NRA actually had any balls. But everyone is too busy trying to help crucify LePierre to spend time doing anything really meaningful.

    But shouldn't surprise me, last time anyone really stepped up and executed a "**** NO" moment was in September 2004 when Sen Larry Craig refused to allow the renewal of the Clinton Ban be amended to his industry protection bill, but because he was a homo who cruised airport bathrooms for hookups and got caught, he was rewarded by being voted OFF the NRA board of directors because you can't defend gun owners and blow random dudes in the airport bathroom.

    Sadly at the end of the day the NRA values are a collection of how the overall membership feels and those guys can be damn disappointing at times.

    Oh and btw, 1986 was a date when the NRA managed to get much of the 1968 Gun Control Act repealed. So there is that.
    Did Craig get voted off over gay restroom sex or for staunchly defending the 2nd Amendment? I don't recall Neal Knox ever trying for a men's room hook up, but he seems to have received similar treatment and his very existence, ever, still pisses off the cat lady.

    Good on the 86 fopa, but unfortunately the only part zealously enforced is the mg ban.

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    There was a time when the NRA was the so-called 800lb gorilla in Washington. There were many A-rated democrats, and the NRA had a significant amount of influence in Washington. Those days are over. Trump recently suggested that the NRA relocate to Texas. Other than that, I haven't heard Trump even whisper the letters NRA while campaigning. He'll talk about protecting the 2A but the mention of NRA is noticeably absent from his rally speeches. Much different than 2016 when Trump was regularly bragging on the NRA. I think it's fair to say the NRA has become a pariah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glocktogo View Post
    It means you're at the bottom of the list, not the top.
    And that helps with legally traveling with a 11.5-12.5" barrel AR without asking the ATF for permission... how?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbhike View Post
    Did Craig get voted off over gay restroom sex or for staunchly defending the 2nd Amendment? I don't recall Neal Knox ever trying for a men's room hook up, but he seems to have received similar treatment and his very existence, ever, still pisses off the cat lady.

    Good on the 86 fopa, but unfortunately the only part zealously enforced is the mg ban.
    Neal Knox threatened the power base. But yeah, sadly most Life Members voted Craig off the island because he was a homo.

    But if not for FOPA, the entire EE on every forum would be illegal.

    If you mail order ammo to your home, thank FOPA. The GCA didn't allow it, dealers used to keep log books for ammo sales just like guns.

    If you can make a favorable sale or trade without being arrested as an unlicensed dealer, thank FOPA. This was a big one and why every serious collector prior to FOPA held a kitchen table FFL just for CYA. Common sting was for ATF to set up a table and sell guns for X price, then UC would solicit the buyer to sell the same gun for X plus $50-75 and if you did, you just got arrested for selling guns for profit without being a FFL.

    That was probably the BIGGEST thing FOPA did for anyone. Of course that is being slowly stripped away little by little and we have seen guys get arrested for unlicensed dealer stuff even when it all went through a FFL.

    And of course the other biggest one was imports of military surplus. Did you guys enjoy those $150 K-98s and $65 Moisin Nagants? Because prior to FOPA those were very, very rare and very, very expensive. To this day pre 68 imports can command 5 to 10 times the value of a recent import so pre 68 K-98s can easily go into the $1,000 range when import marked ones are selling for $250.

    And lets not forget that the 1968 Gun Control Act also had a machine gun ban but regulating imported machine guns. This is why there is no such thing as a true transferable MP5 because they all began life as HK94s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoringGuy45 View Post
    F**k the ATF. Seriously. They're also racist. Like actual racist. At my old store, we had an ATF agent (not inspector; actual criminal investigator) stop in once to "say hi". He told us flat out that the ATF does NOT trust black gun owners, and keeps a close eye on them. He told us not be afraid to report any black customers to them, as "they're usually up to no good." I'm not making that story up.
    At my uncles store where he was also an SOT, we had a female black ATF doing a compliance inspection and she bluntly stated .

    " all gunowners are criminals, we just haven't gotten to you yet.."

    True story....at a gun shop in cottage grove Oregon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prdubi View Post
    At my uncles store where he was also an SOT, we had a female black ATF doing a compliance inspection and she bluntly stated .

    " all gunowners are criminals, we just haven't gotten to you yet.."

    True story....at a gun shop in cottage grove Oregon.

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    At least she was inclusive and non-racist :

    My ATF visitor: "Black gun owners are criminals!"
    Your ATF visitor: "ALL gun owners are criminals!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoringGuy45 View Post
    At least she was inclusive and non-racist :

    My ATF visitor: "Black gun owners are criminals!"
    Your ATF visitor: "ALL gun owners are criminals!"

    I mostly did ok with compliance officers.

    The most fun was the guy who held an Uzi for the first time and went "Man...I had no idea they were so heavy."

    And while Atlanta might be the biggest employer of the mentally handicapped, I have found NFA branch to be knowledgeable, professional and even helpful on many occasions. Doesn't mean I support the NFA legislation itself, but at least they seem to have the right people running that department.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

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