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    World Economic Forum: Welcome to 2030 'I own nothing, have no privacy and it's great'

    Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Voyager both feature episodes that depict what the writers imagined life would be like on Earth in the future. One good reference is one of the Voyager episodes featuring the character "Barclay." It shows Earth is peaceful and filled with purpose. No one is left behind. There is no money. All are equal and are free to pursue their passions and interests all their lives because nearly anything desired can be had instantly.

    I now believe that vision of the future is impossible, short of extensive genetic engineering that would somehow completely re engineer our biologically driven need for hierarchy and eliminate the presence of sociopathy, psychopathy, and somehow modify human ambition without rendering us extinct in a few generations.

    We as humans are not capable of existing the way Star Trek writers dreamed. Our brains are not evolved to support it. There is no way to force it without genetic manipulation that would require knowledge that is centuries beyond us. It simply isn't possible now. Whether it's even desirable is another question entirely.

    Yet that is exactly what the geniuses of our age seem to believe to be a worthy pursuit. They show no understanding of human biology or what motivates human behavior, yet they have the hubris to believe they can somehow force the issue by seizing and then wielding overwhelming and inescapable control over large swaths of humanity. It's like the realization of a combination of 1984 and Brave New World.

    Hubris. Dogma. Arrogance. Condescension. Spite.

    https://thecanadianreport.ca/is-this...21-you-decide/

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/...-what-that-is/

    https://youtu.be/mSwYs6zB6TI

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    Communism has a basic tenant that human is basically good, but that some people are just corrupted beyond repair. Thus, if we can exterminate the corrupted ones, the remaining good ones will create a utopia.

    That's why they hate Western Judeo-Christian culture so much, as the worldview is that humanity basically sinful/selfish, and will never do the right thing. Thus, limited governments set up through mutual distrust is necessary to regulate both tyrannical government and ungoverned populations.
    Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who do not.-Ben Franklin

    there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it’s worth fighting for.-Samwise Gamgee

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    Live in the pod, eat the bugs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BoringGuy45 View Post
    Communism has a basic tenant that human is basically good, but that some people are just corrupted beyond repair. Thus, if we can exterminate the corrupted ones, the remaining good ones will create a utopia.

    That's why they hate Western Judeo-Christian culture so much, as the worldview is that humanity basically sinful/selfish, and will never do the right thing. Thus, limited governments set up through mutual distrust is necessary to regulate both tyrannical government and ungoverned populations.
    The future depicted in James Cameron's Terminator would be a more satisfying human existence.

    Control freaks. Change junkies. Essential spices in the human stew, but they should never be the dominant ingredients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firefly View Post
    Live in the pod, eat the bugs.

    How very pertinent. Takes me back too.

    Except back in the day, all the musicians thought it would be Rightwing people doing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aries144 View Post
    Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Voyager both feature episodes that depict what the writers imagined life would be like on Earth in the future. One good reference is one of the Voyager episodes featuring the character "Barclay." It shows Earth is peaceful and filled with purpose. No one is left behind. There is no money. All are equal and are free to pursue their passions and interests all their lives because nearly anything desired can be had instantly.

    I now believe that vision of the future is impossible, short of extensive genetic engineering that would somehow completely re engineer our biologically driven need for hierarchy and eliminate the presence of sociopathy, psychopathy, and somehow modify human ambition without rendering us extinct in a few generations.

    We as humans are not capable of existing the way Star Trek writers dreamed. Our brains are not evolved to support it. There is no way to force it without genetic manipulation that would require knowledge that is centuries beyond us. It simply isn't possible now. Whether it's even desirable is another question entirely.
    It took "First Contact" for the human race to "evolve" into this new way of thinking. So be patient, it's right around the corner.
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    It's man's quest for godhood...get on board and stop resisting...you'll feel better.

    And I forgot...you won't be that god...some other dude will.
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    Seems Appropriate for the thread https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAI2QOBMlTA
    Last edited by JLP; 10-28-20 at 20:55.

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    The book/movie K-PAX also offers an uncomfortable "utopia" in the form of a planet where the beings have perfected society:

    -Beings do not seek any kind of pleasure; even sex is done out of duty to reproduce alone, as passion is considered outdated and intercourse among the "K-Paxians" is considered painful and unpleasant.

    -Families are obsolete. Children are raised by society as a whole and most people do not know their biological parents.

    -Jokes and games are considered stupid as life should be interesting enough without humor and leisure.

    -Everybody is vegan.

    -Nobody has any friends or strong interpersonal connections as they simply regard all beings with a general compassion and only work together as needed.

    -Beings consider themselves so insignificant that they insist on not even capitalizing their names.

    -There are no governments or authorities and people just work without being asked.

    The main character telling of this planet is supposedly a schizophrenic and not an alien visiting from K-PAX as he claims, but this is still the writer's view of what a utopia would be. Seems like a very lonely, pointless life.
    Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who do not.-Ben Franklin

    there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it’s worth fighting for.-Samwise Gamgee

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    Yeah, IF and WHEN I get my very own holodeck I will "consider" the no privacy thing but I'm going to have lots and lots and lots of possessions including bioreplicants of Christy Canyon and Ginger Lynn circa 1986.

    People can watch if they want. Whatever.
    It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.

    Chuck, we miss ya man.

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