How a 3rd Nuke destined for Japan killed American Scientists here in the US.

[Dr. Bullseye]

I Googled Rainer Karlsch.

A- There's no suggestion by the author that the weapons used were nuclear weapons but were actually radiological (meaning dirty bombs - something anyone with radiological material and some explosives can make).
B- There's no evidence to support the testing of radiological weapons on Rügen.
C- The author himself has admitted that he couldn't prove the claims he makes in his book (and one physicist criticized his book for displaying, "a catastrophic lack of understanding of physics". Link.

This is on top of the facts that Germany stopped development on nuclear weapons by the end of 1943 and Japanese didn't start until Spring 1945 - and got about as far as you'd expect it to in a country under siege, starved for resources, and totally reliant on imports just to maintain production of basic war matériel like rifles.

Friedrich Georg gets nothing but Ernst Jünger's brother, who wrote poetry; a Prussian prince who was born in 1976; a 19th Century Russian astronomer, and; an Austrian actor born in 1966.

Edgar Meyer is an American bassist born in 1960, with his own website: edgarmeyer.com.

Luigi Romersa beings us to this, which brings us back to Karlsch and his... rather shaky book.

TL;DR: Your post has a nugget of (possible) truth at it's core, but it is - the further you get from, "the Nazis may have tested dirty bombs," - based more on fantasy than reality.

This is exactly what I meant about this forum not being the forum for this subject.

Mountain Raven, you might try this little summary on Romersa:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/i-saw-n...01-gdm628.html

Try this English summary for Dr. Rainer Karlsch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitlers_Bombe

I found some of Friedrich Georg's books translated into English for you:

https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Mirac.../dp/1874622914

Here is Edgar Mayer/ Thomas Mehner's latest book which I have not read.

https://www.amazon.com/Zeitbombe-Jon.../dp/3864456789

Thomas Mehner was one of the first to explore the vast underground facilities at the Jonas Valley in Thuringa. The military exercise yard there was also the site of an atomic test in 1944.

This is a widely read book covering these topics:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Atomziel-Ne.../dp/3930219913

All the authors start slowly so the first thing they present is the radiological bomb. The Germans actually tested a modified V-2 with an extended center section to hold the radioactive dust. It was never used however. Friedrich Georg shows pictures of it in one of his books. The target for this device would have been London. As the Dr. Rainer Karlsch summary mentions, the Germans developed hybrid fission-fusion bombs (which every modern military has now) as well as sub-critical mass atomic devices. The Manhattan Project never even considered these. The Germans had a design for an atomic cannon using an atomic device the size of a cannon round. We took the idea after the war and made the cannon.

There. You have been led to the water. If you choose to drink or not is not my concern. My original post was to set the record straight but now I am done.

[SteyrAUG]

It’s Oak Ridge, Tennessee..... NOT Kentucky.

Sorry, brain fart. It was even in the link.

[SteyrAUG]

Actually America Atom Bombing Japan was a huge shock. Nobody really thought we would do it.

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And that is why Truman is one of the four greatest presidents of the 20th century. With that decision he saved thousands of American and Japanese lives. The Japanese were culturally prepared to fight us to their extinction.

When they realized they couldn't commit men, women and children to meet us on the beach for a conventional invasion and would simply keep dropping city destroying bombs from the air, then they finally considered throwing in the towel.

Of course Russia declaring war on Japan at a time when Japan was hoping Russia might broker a surrender deal with the US probably was as shocking to them as Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[SteyrAUG]

This is exactly what I meant about this forum not being the forum for this subject.

Mountain Raven, you might try this little summary on Romersa:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/i-saw-n...01-gdm628.html

Try this English summary for Dr. Rainer Karlsch

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitlers_Bombe

I found some of Friedrich Georg's books translated into English for you:

https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Mirac.../dp/1874622914

Here is Edgar Mayer/ Thomas Mehner's latest book which I have not read.

https://www.amazon.com/Zeitbombe-Jon.../dp/3864456789

Thomas Mehner was one of the first to explore the vast underground facilities at the Jonas Valley in Thuringa. The military exercise yard there was also the site of an atomic test in 1944.

This is a widely read book covering these topics:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Atomziel-Ne.../dp/3930219913

All the authors start slowly so the first thing they present is the radiological bomb. The Germans actually tested a modified V-2 with an extended center section to hold the radioactive dust. It was never used however. Friedrich Georg shows pictures of it in one of his books. The target for this device would have been London. As the Dr. Rainer Karlsch summary mentions, the Germans developed hybrid fission-fusion bombs (which every modern military has now) as well as sub-critical mass atomic devices. The Manhattan Project never even considered these. The Germans had a design for an atomic cannon using an atomic device the size of a cannon round. We took the idea after the war and made the cannon.

There. You have been led to the water. If you choose to drink or not is not my concern. My original post was to set the record straight but now I am done.

Hitlers Bombe (Hitler's Bomb) is a nonfiction book by the German historian Rainer Karlsch published in March 2005, which claims to have evidence concerning the development and testing of a possible "nuclear weapon" by Nazi Germany in 1945. The "weapon" in question is not alleged to be a standard nuclear weapon powered by nuclear fission, but something closer to either a radiological weapon (a so-called "dirty bomb") or a hybrid-nuclear fusion weapon. Its new evidence is concerned primarily with the parts of the German nuclear energy project under Kurt Diebner.


Claims, possible, might have been, etc. are all very specific words that amount to zero evidence.

Right now, lacking any genuine physical evidence...these claims have about as much validity as people who claim the holocaust never happened...and they have those people too and they also wrote books.

Bring me radioactive trace evidence from the test site, it should be pretty easy to find and confirm.

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Hmmm. Shortly after proving the weapon worked, Germany was producing over 500 V2s each month despite an aggressive allied air effort to disrupt them. How many were used to hit places other than England?

Because the Russians didn’t give a flying F about their population. v2s where cool and all, but they weren’t going to have a MATERIAL effect on the war. They could however, make a psychological change in the west. I’d also have to look at where they could be launched from and how fast the Russians were adavancing. I don’t know where I read it, but the amount of explosives from the V weapons compared to the Allied bombing raids was almost laughable

[Diamondback]

V2 was an imprecise terror-weapon, but there was a design for a winged and piloted version (WvB had penciled it out with an eye toward postwar airmail) but had it been brought to Hitler's attention and had they come up with a Little Boy I'm sure they woulda found some fanatic to kamikaze the Kremlin. OTOH, they had proposed human-piloted kamikaze V-1s and even the Hitlerjugend and SS came back with "lemmethinkNO!"... the entire world should be profoundly grateful that German engineering and Japanese suicidal fanaticism were never brought together to their full nightmare potential.

[kirkland]

The Americans invented nothing. All atomic bombs came from Germany. Germany tested two uranium bombs in 1944. They sent bomb material to Japan which they tested in North Korea. The US captured a uranium bomb at one site and two plutonium bombs at another. If this bomb in question was not German, it was a copy of a German bomb and you see what happened as these scientists had no idea of what they were doing. There are tons of documentation on the German bomb in a book by Dr. Rainer Karlsch and more in books but Friedrich Georg and Thomas Mahner, Edgar Meyer and an Italian government witness to an atomic test, Luigi Romersa. It is in German language.

This is false. Give credit to the Germans for rocketry that eventually led to the space race. But they didn't invent the bomb, we did and the Soviets had spies in our program, that's why they had the bomb not long after we had it.

[MountainRaven]

You have been led to the water. If you choose to drink or not is not my concern. My original post was to set the record straight but now I am done.

Your, "water," smells suspiciously of petroleum and has a dead goat in it. I'll pass, thanks.

Because the Russians didn’t give a flying F about their population. v2s where cool and all, but they weren’t going to have a MATERIAL effect on the war. They could however, make a psychological change in the west. I’d also have to look at where they could be launched from and how fast the Russians were adavancing. I don’t know where I read it, but the amount of explosives from the V weapons compared to the Allied bombing raids was almost laughable

Contrary to the myth, Russia did not have countless waves of men to throw into the meatgrinder of the Eastern Front. They were certainly willing to use the lives of human beings where the Western Allies and even the Germans would prefer a technological solution, but they ate massive casualties at the beginning of the war. Massive casualties that have had a lasting impact on Russia's demographics - and the demographics of most of the other former Soviet Republics, but especially Russia and Ukraine - and likely played a not-insignificant role in the eventual collapse of the Soviet Union.

Also worth bearing in mind that the Nazis wanted a truce with the West to focus on fighting the Soviet Union. Or better yet, get the Western Allies to go to war against the Soviet Union as Nazi allies. And given the West's aversion to casualties...

Using a nuke against the West would be a high risk strategy: It might get the Western Allies to agree to a separate truce or it might make the Western Allies redouble their efforts to destroy the Reich from the air and the Soviets push harder and faster to gut the Reich on the ground both to preserve their forces and to keep the Western Allies in the fight. And could further result in the US pushing their (unknown to the Nazis) nuclear program to go faster and eventually dropping Little Boy or Fat Man on Berlin.

Using a nuke against the Soviets seems like it would be more likely a Nazi priority. Both to destroy as much Soviet men and matériel as possible and to threaten Paris and London. And given that emphasis on Soviet matériel, it's more likely the Nazis would use it as a sort of tactical weapon, targeting Soviet troop formations on the eve of a Soviet offensive, than as a terror weapon against Moscow, Stalingrad, or Leningrad. Combined with the threat to Paris or London, the Nazis might be able to negotiate a cease-fire with the Western Allies. Worst case scenario, the Western Allies would be unlikely to feel any particular sense of urgency so long as they (and especially their civilian population centers - and Soviet population centers) aren't being threatened with nuclear annihilation.

I do agree, however, with the poster who suggested that the most likely use for a Nazi nuclear weapon during WWII would be by Hitler against Berlin as the Soviets surround the city and he realizes his paper armies are not coming to save him. I could also see Hitler making wide use of radiological weapons against Ukraine - the breast basket of Europe and the ultimate goal of his push into the Soviet Union, his Lebensraum - and possibly also against Germany's agricultural lands; both as a scorched earth tactic to poison their use by the Soviet Union but also to punish and poison the German people for failing him.

[Alex V]

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Actually America Atom Bombing Japan was a huge shock. Nobody really thought we would do it.

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