Stupid idea

[thepatriot2705]

I got a really stupid idea. To keep myself preoccupied, I’m considering buying a lot for 10k and building a house from the ground up by hand, including digging an 8 foot basement by hand. Kind of a dumb idea but something to keep me from the bottle?

[Diamondback]

Look for a book titled "Be Your Own General Contractor." No bottle urges but I've had similar thoughts myself every now and again, having dabbled as an architecture student in high school.

First thing: determine all your requirements and "Would Really Likes" up front before you even think about breaking ground, then get some graph paper and start doodling. Even if you decide to shortcut by building in phases, work up the whole design first--for example, a lot of the things I've penciled tend to start with building the garage and a "mother-in-law" apartment above that to live in while building up a "common space" core like kitchen, dining room, living room and then building extensions out and/or up from that. It's easier to design anticipating growth for all your wants than to have your design only have what you can do right now then later you have to figure out "okay, how do I add these things I really wanted?"

[AKDoug]

Not crazy, but where do you live? Do you have to follow codes where you are at? What kind of foundation were you thinking of? How big of a place? Building your own house will consume plenty of time without putting yourself through the Hell of hand digging a foundation. Why not just rent the equipment to dig it mechanically.

[thepatriot2705]

Look for a book titled "Be Your Own General Contractor." No bottle urges but I've had similar thoughts myself every now and again, having dabbled as an architecture student in high school.

First thing: determine all your requirements and "Would Really Likes" up front before you even think about breaking ground, then get some graph paper and start doodling. Even if you decide to shortcut by building in phases, work up the whole design first--for example, a lot of the things I've penciled tend to start with building the garage and a "mother-in-law" apartment above that to live in while building up a "common space" core like kitchen, dining room, living room and then building extensions out and/or up from that. It's easier to design anticipating growth for all your wants than to have your design only have what you can do right now then later you have to figure out "okay, how do I add these things I really wanted?"

I’m in the process of restoring a historic house right now. I’ve run into some permitting bullshit. But the inspiration for this is to appreciate how they built houses in the old day. I’m talking an Italianate house with fieldstone foundation and true brick construction.

Would be pretty cool to look back and say I laid every single brick by hand. Cut every joist etc

[thepatriot2705]

Not crazy, but where do you live? Do you have to follow codes where you are at? What kind of foundation were you thinking of? How big of a place? Building your own house will consume plenty of time without putting yourself through the Hell of hand digging a foundation. Why not just rent the equipment to dig it mechanically.

Would target for 2000 sq ft. Fieldstone foundation of city allowed it. Can’t see why not. Those buildings have lasted 100+ years. Why hand? I gotta stay busy or I’ll lose my damn mind.

[rero360]

I personally think that's an amazing idea, I served with a guy who designed and built his own house. I remember seeing pictures and was awed at the process. I think whether you go with digging by hand or getting equipment to assist. you should create a thread on here and post pictures as you make progress if you do go through with it. You may become an inspiration for someone else to follow suit.

[Diamondback]

Speaking of, are there any good references out there for trying to design a structure from scratch for optimal Home D but without it looking like a fortress from outside? Personally I'm a big fan of chokepoints and "stairwell as fatal funnel," but being stuck with Old Boatanchor who can barely walk fifty feet at a time kinda puts a cramp on "concentrate everything important upstairs."

[jsbhike]

Speaking of, are there any good references out there for trying to design a structure from scratch for optimal Home D but without it looking like a fortress from outside?

William Whitley's House would still hold up against small arms.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will..._Historic_Site

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

I got a really stupid idea. To keep myself preoccupied, I’m considering buying a lot for 10k and building a house from the ground up by hand, including digging an 8 foot basement by hand. Kind of a dumb idea but something to keep me from the bottle?

Sounds like a project that would drive most people to drink...

If you take the time and film it right you could turn it into a probably pretty profitable YouTube channel, or maybe even a broadcast TV show like on the do it yourself channel.

[Alex V]

Not crazy, but where do you live? Do you have to follow codes where you are at? What kind of foundation were you thinking of? How big of a place? Building your own house will consume plenty of time without putting yourself through the Hell of hand digging a foundation. Why not just rent the equipment to dig it mechanically.

I suppose if you live so far from civilization that no one knows you exist but where is there a place in the US which officially does not follow any building codes?

Would target for 2000 sq ft. Fieldstone foundation of city allowed it. Can’t see why not. Those buildings have lasted 100+ years. Why hand? I gotta stay busy or I’ll lose my damn mind.

The IRC (International Residential Code) which every state I ever worked in follows in some way shape or form is very prescriptive. Unlike the IBC (International Building Code) which governs commercial building design, the residential code tells you exactly how to do it. Each chapter will tell you how big, how often and where. If you want to build a simple framed dwelling, all you need to do it look up the condition and it will tell you the answer. For instance, you have a room which is 15' wide and you need a joist and the room above is a bedroom. Boom, use this joist this many inches on center.

There is nothing in Chapter 4 which allows fieldstone foundations. You can use wood, CMU or concrete, anything else will require calculations to prove it will resist moment and overturning so unless you want to do those calcs, [I sure as hell don't] just use CMU or pour in place. I know that there are centuries old houses which have fieldstone foundations that are still standing, but that doesn't mean they meet current code. We used to use lead paint and asbestos as well, remember?

If you get into a situation where you need to design a beam or header etc. take a look at FORTE. https://www.weyerhaeuser.com/woodpro...orte-software/ It is a free online software by Weyerhouser. They are a major manufacturer of engineered structural wood products but the software will calculate for standard nominal wood framing of various species as well. I use FORTE on all our residential projects. You can print out reports showing the suitability of a wood section to prove to the town it will work if they ask and to cover your ass with the insurance people if needed.

Also, depending on where you live you may have to design for seismic and or wind uplift. Simpson Strongtie has a lot of guides for this on their website, they are very good references.

Remember, a lot of the stuff you do may look right, and chances are it will stand up, but that doesn't mean it's compliant with the Code and there are A LOT of them. The IRC will cover most of what you need, but you will also need NFPA70 (National Electric Code), National Standard Plumbing Code and the International Energy Conservation Code. Those should cover it since IFC and Fuel Gas is covered in the IRC for the most part.

All towns I have ever filed projects in have also require a RESCheck report which is a free online software tool from the DOE to test the energy efficiency of the home and provide a report saying it passes Code.

Speaking of, are there any good references out there for trying to design a structure from scratch for optimal Home D but without it looking like a fortress from outside? Personally I'm a big fan of chokepoints and "stairwell as fatal funnel," but being stuck with Old Boatanchor who can barely walk fifty feet at a time kinda puts a cramp on "concentrate everything important upstairs."

I don't know if he wrote a book about it but Jeff Cooper laid out his house in order to be highly defendable. Shooting USA did an story on his house as well with some of the major points being discussed.