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    'Twere me, I'd go Gen 5 MOS 34s and 19s.

    But I'm not worried about maintaining an indigenous arms industry in a country whose arms industry is also pretty much literally a cottage industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RHINOWSO View Post
    No way Glock or SIG is licensing for only 15-20K pistols unless Canada REALLy wants to make it worth their while.
    Yup. 20k pistols is nothing.
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    Maybe SIG, Glock, or whoever could negotiate a deal. No local production, but we'll give you a deal on the handguns, spare parts, training, and long-term logistic support. In return, we're allowed to produce one or more special runs of Glock 17, P320 (or whatever) with Canadian military markings and serial numbers. In the box we'll include a Canadian flag patch and decal, and a coupon for 50% off a case of Molsons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slater View Post
    I'm curious to see how their selection and procurement process compare with ours. Hell, I didn't realize they were still using Hi-Powers:
    If you're stuck with 9mm, you might as well KEEP the Hi-Power.
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    But when you see the price they paid to be able to locally product FN MAG machine guns, you know anything is possible to keep the 'Canadian firearms industry' afloat. Basically they are ok paying 2-3x the cost to have their own people do it, which likely means they pay 1-2x the cost to the original company and then the rest to their own company to actually do the work.

    But then again I've seen them do the same thing, award a Canadian company work for 2-3x the cost that an American Company could do for them. To the point that unless you have a "Canadian Company" to funnel the work your way, it's not even worth bidding on their shit. Especially if you get one of their "French Canadian" types to work for. Ain't nobody got time for that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousStudent View Post
    I think Glock 17's tend to do pretty well in snow and ice.

    I'd just order G17's for the grunts, and G19's for the folks that need something more concealable, and call it good.

    COTS programs can help prevent over-thinking, but that is rarely the way government operates.
    Indeed . AST (Alaska State Troopers) went to them years ago and haven’t looked back. That environment pretty much mirrors Canada’s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_War_Wagon View Post
    If you're stuck with 9mm, you might as well KEEP the Hi-Power.
    Hi power is out of production and is grossly outdated.

    Quote Originally Posted by RHINOWSO View Post
    But when you see the price they paid to be able to locally product FN MAG machine guns, you know anything is possible to keep the 'Canadian firearms industry' afloat. Basically they are ok paying 2-3x the cost to have their own people do it, which likely means they pay 1-2x the cost to the original company and then the rest to their own company to actually do the work.

    But then again I've seen them do the same thing, award a Canadian company work for 2-3x the cost that an American Company could do for them. To the point that unless you have a "Canadian Company" to funnel the work your way, it's not even worth bidding on their shit. Especially if you get one of their "French Canadian" types to work for. Ain't nobody got time for that!
    You speak the truth! The reality is that the ****tard who is pretending to lead Canada is so anti Anglophone and pro Quebec/Ontario it's disgusting. The goal for most POS prime ministers is to kiss the a$$ of Quebec and Ontario to secure votes to stay in office. Unfortunately Canada does not have term limits, so we can get stuck with the same POS almost indefinitely. And it has happened in the past. Convince the stupid masses you're amazing, hand out some "free" money and you remain in power.

    Buying arms or arms licenses for insane money to further ones political position is absolutely doable and will most likely dictate what we get.

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    As Mysterycanuck pointed out (apologies there, friend, I am also once from Canada), the HiPower isn't an option. There isn't any Canadian factory or tooling to build it. That was sold to India years ago. And I once owned one of the Indian (not First Nations!) made HP pistols. It was neat to see the distinctive Inglis Company shape on the slide, but that was forgotten once I paid attention to the crappy machining and finishing on the Indian-made pistol. For Pete's sake, the front sight was crooked in the dovetail and firmly staked in while crooked! I sold it.

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    And yet, my previous post might totally overlook a possibile future for the Canadian pistols.

    Consider the Diemaco (later part of Colt Canada) success with the production of variations of the M16 and M4 weapons. These have been kept in production and have been purchased by some non-Canadian countries. I assume that that program actually made a profit, although socialist governments don't seem to care about that concept.

    So maybe some small company from some small Eastern Europe country will submit a pistol (Slovenia, Slovakia, Serbia, Croatia?) which does well enough in testing to lead to international marketing from Canadian factories. Or even an Israeli pistol. Would it not be interesting to see a Masada being built in Canada and marketed around the world?

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    I do love the Hi Power, but I bet those Inglis guns are in a sorry state at this point.

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