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Eventually...you from your hide and me from mine.
It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.
Chuck, we miss ya man.
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Just a problem, NICS lacks critical info like make, model and serial number. They know the name of the individual which is already in their searchable database but beyond that only know handgun or long gun.
It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.
Chuck, we miss ya man.
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If such long-suffering patriots exist, God bless them. More likely the leak is somebody who was jockeying for empire-building position and got knocked aside looking for a little payback, but hope springs eternal.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>YOU IDIOTS! I WROTE 1984 AS A WARNING, NOT A HOW-TO MANUAL!--Orwell's ghost
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Point being that per the law itself no record of the purchase was to be made.
Wasn't too awfully long after that the ATF facility in Martinsburg, WV was opened. HUGE data storage capabilities from what I've read.
Edit: not sure about anywhere else but in TN they use TBI (TN Bureau of Investigation) instead of Federal checks. That lists the make, model, and caliber.
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The answer is we’re not going to unite.
Gun owners being conservative by nature are cantankerous and prone to individualistic habits, and proclivities. We’ll argue about the virtues of a few .001”s of bullet diameter bitterly for crying out loud. We also will not agree to disagree on even the smallest stupidest shit. Not exactly a group of people who are going to unite in any effective fashion for anything any time soon.
Leftists of course love group think and conformity, or seem to and will be united more often than not.
Which is one reason why we keep losing.
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this is absolute bs! I'm telling you, the only we stop this is literally to have a VA style gathering at the capital with guns and mass civil disobedience.
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ATF needs to be defunded and abolished. It's amazing how people just think rights are not rights!
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Or just turn it into a retail chain. All your freedom related needs in one place.
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That is at a state level and places like CA, NY, etc absolutely do. Another example is multiple handgun purchase reports. But the master database most envision cannot exist...yet. That is because NICS in most places only does a background check on a prospective firearm purchaser to make sure they aren't a "prohibited person" and no additional information is provided. They are only referencing the information that already exists within the NICS system, if you aren't in there...you aren't in there beyond they know your drivers license info, etc. And if we take them at their word, the record of that background check only remains in the system for so many weeks.
Quite honestly the closest thing to a national firearms registration database that currently exists are people with conceal carry permits, they know those people are probably armed although no information about what weapons they own exactly is known.
This is why when ATF does a firearm trace, they still have to begin at the manufacturer, go through distributors and dealers until they finally arrive at the end user. There is no magic database where they enter a serial number and it gives them a name and address of the current owner.
Now I'm no giant fan of ATF but if we direct our efforts on mythical databases rather than doing something useful like getting the "sporter clause" removed from the 1968 GCA we are wasting our time on a non issue rather than doing something productive. Now certainly the warning of pending legislation that increases the discretionary authority of ATF merits watching, especially if it's proven to be true and the legislation is introduced to congress...we need to be ready to make phone calls and raise a giant bitchfest...but we also have to be factually accurate.
Now it is no secret that ATF is famous for selected photocopying of 4473s during compliance inspections under the guise that they are making sure FFLs are filling them out correctly and completely, and in the example of large store chains where digital copies exist inspectors have been caught downloading complete 4473 records, but even with those examples they still have a very incomplete database and don't have anything like a searchable "by name" master list that brings up every firearm you ever bought since high school.
Most of that information is retained by the FFL for so long as they are in business and even when FFLs retire and provide 4473s and bound books to ATF, it is a monster project to scan all that in or worse somehow create a searchable database. It would take hundreds of entry level "data entry" employees decades to make it happen and some time within the first year of the effort somebody would blow the whistle really hard that "Hey....they are DOING IT...they are DOING EXACTLY what people have been saying they were gonna do" since the late 1960s.
I don't believe they have actually done it, otherwise no FFL would have to participate in a firearm track / records search because ATF would already have all of the information they needed. I also think all of those MILLIONS of 4473s in ATFs possession are housed hard copies that probably aren't even organized in any kind of master catalog beyond all of these belonged to this FFL number and those belonged to that FFL number, with of course the sole exception being declined transfers and I can reasonably understand why they might keep copies of those and the related info.
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I think the exception being when the shooting starts in earnest. At that point I don't care what stupid shit somebody might believe, if they are returning fire in that direction I am probably going to fire in support and send round that direction.
But other than that, yeah, sadly what we have in common is severe individuality and a desire to be left the hell alone and not have to carry protest signs to have our rights respected.
It's hard to be a ACLU hating, philosophically Libertarian, socially liberal, fiscally conservative, scientifically grounded, agnostic, porn admiring gun owner who believes in self determination.
Chuck, we miss ya man.
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