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    That LaGardere catalog is the stuff of dreams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Disciple View Post
    What year did this change?
    I believe it changed on 1st January 1999

    Hereís the full Swiss law

    https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...208/index.html

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    Springfield Armory M1A

    Quote Originally Posted by JoshNC View Post
    That LaGardere catalog is the stuff of dreams.
    Not only is he by far the biggest dealer in Switzerland, some people say heís probably the biggest in Europe.

    He also sells to and buys back from various police forces in Europe. He is the official importer for Colt here.

    https://www.lagardere.ch/images/fich...ogue202001.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLIAR15 View Post
    Switzerland has the reputation to be a very gun friendly country, especially compared to neighbouring countries in Europe.

    However new gun laws are being introduced under the pressure of the European Union with whom Switzerland has bilateral commercial trade accords.

    You need to apply for a gun permit at the bureau of arms for each gun. Cost is $ 50 per permit. For that you obviously need a virgin criminal record. You may put up to three guns on the same permit but those have to be bought the same day from the same seller. That leads to some regrouping amongst sellers at gun shows, and also to some compulsive buying, to fill the second and third line and amortise the permit.

    We used to be allowed to carry, concealed only, but that now requires another permit which is nearly impossible to get unless your profession requires it. Private transaction used to be allowed without permit but thatís no longer the case.

    We are still allowed to acquire and possess full auto weapons for collection purposes, or professional needs. Those require an exceptional permit, which has a few more conditions required, such as already having a small collection, a bolted safe, bolts have to be stored separately and another permit is required to shoot them.

    This limits interest in them and they are therefore fairly cheap here, say $ 2-2500 for an M16, $ 1500 for a Glock 18, HK MP5 start at $ 2000, a Thompson starts at $ 1800 etc..

    The Swiss army is a militia / conscripts army. The particularity was that service was spread over years, you started with basic training for four months (plus another three if you go to under officer school), then youíd have a repeating or training three weeks course every year until a certain age, depending on your grade. I think it used to be close to 40 yrs for private, and up for officers.

    At the end of you service you have the possibility to keep your service rifle (for private) or pistol (for officers). Therefore attics and gunshows are littered with old straight pull rifles, Stgw 57 and 90 (full auto bits are removed), Swiss revolvers, Lugers, P210 and 220.

    Nowadays and with the end of the Cold War 30 years ago, the Swiss army has been drastically reduced and professionalised, went from 600í000 potential soldiers including reservists to abt 150í000 today. Itís still conscripts but shorter and a lot more kids get away without having to do it. Which in a way is a shame, as itís good life introduction for the 18 yr old knuckleheads (my son in law was sadly exempted, it would have done him a world of good).

    At the end of your service you have to possibility to keep your service rifle or pistol for a $ 100 fee. You must have participated in three qualifying shoots in the last three years of your service. This is a fairly recent requirement, a friend found out the hard way when the army told him he missed one and couldnít keep his rifle. He bought a civilian Sig 550 for $ 2800.
    Is it true that immigrants from certain countries aren't allowed to own firearms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    Is it true that immigrants from certain countries aren't allowed to own firearms?

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    That is correct, the list currently includes

    Serbia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria, Albania.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLIAR15 View Post
    That is correct, the list currently includes

    Serbia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Kosovo, Macedonia, Turkey, Sri Lanka, Algeria, Albania.
    Thats awesome,

    I really wish we could have narrowly tailored restrictions towards certain, undesirable groups at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m4hk33 View Post
    Thats awesome,

    I really wish we could have narrowly tailored restrictions towards certain, undesirable groups at times.
    This isn't narrowly tailored. It's everyone from those countries. Period!

    Also, love narrowly tailoring the Constitution at will. We can change it with every new president!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    This isn't narrowly tailored. It's everyone from those countries. Period!

    Also, love narrowly tailoring the Constitution at will. We can change it with every new president!!!!

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    What constitution? You mean State constitutions or the US constitution that somehow allow are null and void in light of a bad flu season? And that all went down under what could be considered as the most pro American president in the last 40 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m4hk33 View Post
    What constitution? You mean State constitutions or the US constitution that somehow allow are null and void in light of a bad flu season? And that all went down under what could be considered as the most pro American president in the last 40 years.
    So screw it? May as well just disregard it all!!!??!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arik View Post
    So screw it? May as well just disregard it all!!!??!?!
    The reality is: they are disregarding it all, and We the People are letting them.

    I agree the government shouldn't be restricting firearms ownership based on anything, but the reality is that they are restricting that... and a lot more, and getting away with it.
    "I am a Soldier. I fight where I'm told and I win where I fight." GEN George S. Patton, Jr.

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