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    This is what Jeff Cahill wrote on TOS about his Mags... (Writing to PAt Rogers)


    Hey Pat,

    Thanks for helping disppell a typical internet 'critique'.

    Here's some facts on our upcoming ARC magazine to be released commercially. The lip and sand seal you see in some pix will not be available. The magazine sides for the civilian product are flush, so fitting in any existing pouch is not a problem. The sand seal is reserved for USSOCOM, with the appropriate mag pouches to be available from Eagle Industries and some other select sources. Also, the surface finish of the magazines were reflective as the mold was not finish texured at that time.

    The modular design allows several benefits not found in any other polymer magazine. First, is the proper straight ammo feed column through a straight feedwell. This allows us to properly dimension the magazine upper without design restriction. That allows the empty magazine to always drop free, even if the mag well is out of spec.

    The next big benefit is manufacturing process control.
    Injection molding two small parts is far better than trying to mold one long, difficult one. The structural integrity of feed lips are guaranteed as the shot time is well contained in the resin thermal bracket. That can't happen in a long one piece shot due to material 'freeze off', creating feed lips that just 'snap off' etc. Drafting the mold cores are optimal as well. We are proud of the strength and quality of the magazine components.

    The magazine lower half is an ultra strong five sided box, with no floorplate to fail. The magazine does not disassemble, as there is no need. The premium quality spring will outlive the housing it resides in. Cleaning is a snap, even after extended use with a suppressor.

    Modularity also enables us to make various ammunition capacities that are cost effective.

    We just retool the lower half instead of the entire magazine. We can get special variants accomplished for our Mil customers in a quicker time frame. We can even use a translucent material (that would be unsuitable for feedlip duty) for the entire lower half of the magazine instead of having to resort to slots or windows. That combination of materials is beyond the scope of any existing polymer mag.

    As far as the joint between the two halves, it is stronger than the base material. That has been proven very scientifically by an independant test lab. The resins and adhesives we are using are state of the art. We didn't drive it over with a truck as some form of data, instead we spent a lot of money with the same lab that tests all of the Boeing and GD aircraft structural members that are bonded. The shear strength at the bond is staggering. Every step of the development and manufacturing process on this product has been documented for Contract use down the road.

    I don't understand why we have our competitor jumping our thread and attempting to speak for our company. Our customers and industry relations are our business, and are confidential. Guess all you want, but do it on your own thread.

    The inside story will be presented by Pat very soon, thanks for your patience and support. At TD Inc, our sole goal is to raise the bar and give our Warriors the best kit in the world.

    -Jeff
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    Quote Originally Posted by rubberneck View Post
    No one "needs" them but it is nice to have another source of quality mags. Consumers are never hurt by having more options available to them.
    Exactly! I have well over ### AR mags so I don't need any more but I will certain pick some up just like I did PMAGS because I like having options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SinnFéinM1911 View Post
    This is what Jeff Cahill wrote on TOS about his Mags... (Writing to PAt Rogers)

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    Thanks, much appreciated.

    Quote Originally Posted by rubberneck View Post
    No one "needs" them but it is nice to have another source of quality mags. Consumers are never hurt by having more options available to them.
    I was not using "need" in a condescending sense. I do "need" reliable, durable, and rugged magazines and understand others' need for the same.
    Last edited by Failure2Stop; 12-02-08 at 11:01.
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    They look neat, but here's the one thing I don't get(be ready for potentially dumb question) since you can't take them apart, how can they be properly cleaned if sand/dirt/mud somehow gets in the mag? I'm guessing that's not really a concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoDak View Post
    They look neat, but here's the one thing I don't get(be ready for potentially dumb question) since you can't take them apart, how can they be properly cleaned if sand/dirt/mud somehow gets in the mag? I'm guessing that's not really a concern.
    I dont know for sure, and I'm PURELY GUESSING, but if you need to clean it, it will be minimal. When I get a few, ill take a look at that and let you know.
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    My favorite part of that thread, and others elsewhere, is the following exchange.

    poster 1
    looks like these will hangup when removing them from pouches/carriers. You can't tell me that they won't with that ridge around the middle. I would also like to know if that ridge causes any problems with use in other guns that use AR mags like the sig 556.
    Manufacturer's response
    The lip and sand seal you see in some pix will not be available. The magazine sides for the civilian product are flush, so fitting in any existing pouch is not a problem.
    poster 2 in response to manufacturer
    A gimmick reserved for special people? Really now?
    Proof positive that you can't please all of the (stupid) people all of the time.


    Why do these things result in such drama? Why do people even care about these things? Most of these idiots that have run out and (allegedly) sold all their GI mags for Pmags couldn't wear out even a single GI mag in their own lifetime yet they ditch a perfectly serviceable item for the flavor of the month.

    (don't get me wrong, Pmags are great and all, and I have quite a few myself, but I sure as hell ain't ditching my tried -and-true aluminum mags just because something new came out)

    If people are happy using black-follower GI mags, then keep on using them. If you traded in those followers for green, then the green for Magpul, then the stock springs for CS, then the upgraded GI mag for Pmags, etc., all the while never having any failures of the previous iteration, then this TD mags should be right up your alley.

    All the calls to run a TD mag over with a truck and post the video is just more evidence of these people's ignorance. When was the last time any of them actually had a magazine on the deck for longer than 60 seconds, let alone in a traffic zone, and let alone with any danger of an actual truck running it over? Of course, given the girth of some of these alleged "survivalists" I suppose there is a danger that they might fall their fat-ass over on the magazine and crush it, which I suppose could be the equivalent of running it over with a truck.

    All this goddamn magazine drama makes me want to run nothing but my Vietnam era 20-round aluminum magazines that I have boxed up in the back of the closet somewhere. I betcha I'd still spank 99% of the posters in that other thread in a match or skill test, and never have a single failure doing it. Of course, then some collector will show up whining about "ruining" them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoDak View Post
    They look neat, but here's the one thing I don't get(be ready for potentially dumb question) since you can't take them apart, how can they be properly cleaned if sand/dirt/mud somehow gets in the mag? I'm guessing that's not really a concern.
    I'd be inclined to push the follower down halfway, hold it upside down, and spray it out with water or an air hose.

    How about put a nipple on the bottom to mate up with an air hose and blow it out that way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure2Stop View Post
    I was not using "need" in a condescending sense.
    I wasn't assuming that you were.

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    Lots of fail on that TOS thread, but what else is new. I could barely stomach that thread after the first demand to run over the mags with a truck. Are people serious...

    And I think its in really poor taste for "Industry Professionals" to post silly commentary about competing products in threads unrelated to them

    Lots of people and companies starting to believe their own hype in the gun community. I find the level of hubris among the "cool kid gun cliques" to be especially nauseating.
    Last edited by variablebinary; 12-02-08 at 12:06.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob_s View Post

    All the calls to run a TD mag over with a truck and post the video is just more evidence of these people's ignorance. When was the last time any of them actually had a magazine on the deck for longer than 60 seconds, let alone in a traffic zone, and let alone with any danger of an actual truck running it over? Of course, given the girth of some of these alleged "survivalists" I suppose there is a danger that they might fall their fat-ass over on the magazine and crush it, which I suppose could be the equivalent of running it over with a truck.

    All this goddamn magazine drama makes me want to run nothing but my Vietnam era 20-round aluminum magazines that I have boxed up in the back of the closet somewhere.
    Ha ha ha!

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