How Long Will Covid Restrictions Remain In Place...?

[Screwball]

Zero medical background, but I work up on the Canadian border with CBP. We’ve been estimating the border reopening in the April 2021 timeframe... with the vaccine effectiveness being the major factor.

Personally, I feel it all is too reactive of responses. We didn’t have mandatory mask wearing with travelers until May 2020 timeframe... which I feel was way too late to worry about exposure.

All of CBP in ME have recently made it mandatory to wear a mask at all times at work (it sucks), which was timed with the Governor making it a requirement in all businesses/public areas. Again, I feel it was too little, too late... and most of us are annoyed with it since it clearly isn’t in response to officer safety...

Whether or not masks are the way, the entire response puts too much emphasis on it. People put on a mask, and they now think they are safe. Not washing hands, you are just as risk... if not more because you are now bringing your hands up to your face. At least without masks, we tended to keep our six feet distance when possible.

But working for a plumbing company prior to my current job, I can say even N-95 masks aren’t protecting as people make them out to. Concrete dust, cast iron dust, drywall dust... all of which ended up inside the mask and was blown out of my nose when I showered after work.

[Mozart]

[Arik]

With most service industry stuff it is no longer "in person" and that means more outsourcing and fewer employees working longer hours.

Anything food service has been pretty devastated. Anything fast food limited to drive through only means 2/3s of the employees have been let go. Anyone who waited tables probably hasn't worked in the last 6 months.

And everything else, limited hours are the norm. Did your walmart used to be 24 hour? Now they probably close at 10pm or sooner. Anything that used to be open until 9 or 10pm now closes at 6pm.

Suffice to say everyone who ran out and bought a big screen tv with their "covid" check is now probably regretting it unless they are one of those rare "essential workers" in one of the few industries not directly effected.

More people probably lost their jobs in 2020 and we may very likely hit an unemployment rate of 9.9 or higher as we saw in 2009 following the housing market crash. And I don't think another stimulus check is going to be anything more than a band aid on a gushing wound. Maybe that's why the Republicans didn't seem to try very hard to win the election.

Also concerned this could be a "new normal" for the next year or even two. And we thought 9-11 changed things in a big way.

My sister's second job is a server and since March they've been packed. First it was nothing but deliveries. Those who waited tables were working in the kitchen helping prepare food. Then, once allowed to open they've been packed. People call in for reservations and wait in their cars.

Walmart is open 24/7 here

Americans love spending money and will be back to glutenous spending in no time.

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[jpmuscle]

Realistically we have six more months of pretty massive deaths and illness, even with vaccine distribution.
Vaccine may save the second half of 2021 - maybe a decent fall of school, Halloween and Thanksgiving. Unfortunately, Joe Biden’s death toll predictions may end up being unfortunately too close to accurate. The COVID death toll is rising way faster than .4% mortality right now - and we only have three or four states with exhausted hospitals. At the present trend lines, post Thanksgiving will become ugly and Christmas may be grim.

My guess is redder states in the north will start to lift February-March. My guess is the Southern states will be getting shellacked through the first of quarter of 2021. Summer of 2021 will get us back into the new normal. 10% unemployment is real, especially depending on what the federal relief/unemployment policy comes out as.... Pelosi’s game of chicken on no COVID relief played out terribly for her, but she has such a dysfunctional caucus that they cannot come together to offer a different approach. Biden will be handed the ball in January to try to make deal with the Senate.

Oh nooooooooooooo


Ok CNN.


They’ll continue as long as spineless Americans continue to put up with said BS.


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[Mozart]

There’s growing evidence that “The Great Reset” is their plan. The phrase “Build Back Better” is beginning to show up more places than Biden’s campaign. I believe COVID restrictions are the empires’ response to trump and brexit. They’re going to ruin everyone, bankrupt everything, and reorganize economies with authoritarian socialism.

[PracticalRifleman]

Zero medical background, but I work up on the Canadian border with CBP. We’ve been estimating the border reopening in the April 2021 timeframe... with the vaccine effectiveness being the major factor.

Personally, I feel it all is too reactive of responses. We didn’t have mandatory mask wearing with travelers until May 2020 timeframe... which I feel was way too late to worry about exposure.

All of CBP in ME have recently made it mandatory to wear a mask at all times at work (it sucks), which was timed with the Governor making it a requirement in all businesses/public areas. Again, I feel it was too little, too late... and most of us are annoyed with it since it clearly isn’t in response to officer safety...

Whether or not masks are the way, the entire response puts too much emphasis on it. People put on a mask, and they now think they are safe. Not washing hands, you are just as risk... if not more because you are now bringing your hands up to your face. At least without masks, we tended to keep our six feet distance when possible.

But working for a plumbing company prior to my current job, I can say even N-95 masks aren’t protecting as people make them out to. Concrete dust, cast iron dust, drywall dust... all of which ended up inside the mask and was blown out of my nose when I showered after work.

If dust makes it way into your mask, if means it hasn’t been fit properly. Typically, in medical and bio communities as well as many industrial settings, wearers are fit-tested frequently.

I think the public at large isn’t aware of this and merely think a mask is a magic bullet.


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[PracticalRifleman]

There’s growing evidence that “The Great Reset” is their plan. The phrase “Build Back Better” is beginning to show up more places than Biden’s campaign. I believe COVID restrictions are the empires’ response to trump and brexit. They’re going to ruin everyone, bankrupt everything, and reorganize economies with authoritarian socialism.

Agenda 30.


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[lowprone]

Until all Americans learn to do what they are told !

[AndyLate]

Realistically we have six more months of pretty massive deaths and illness, even with vaccine distribution.
Vaccine may save the second half of 2021 - maybe a decent fall of school, Halloween and Thanksgiving. Unfortunately, Joe Biden’s death toll predictions may end up being unfortunately too close to accurate. The COVID death toll is rising way faster than .4% mortality right now - and we only have three or four states with exhausted hospitals. At the present trend lines, post Thanksgiving will become ugly and Christmas may be grim.

What? Less than .1% of Americans have died from COVID. That is not "pretty massive" deaths. The mortality rate for COVID patients continues to fall.

Think about it. If you knew 1000 people and 1 died, would you think it's the end of the world? That's the death rate we are talking about. Do we destroy our and our children's future for that?

The Flu epidemic in 1918-1920 killed more people than have contracted COVID when the world's population was 1.8 billion vs 7.8 billion today. It killed 675000 people in the US in approximately 9 months. The US population was less than 1/3 of today's. A little rough math will tell you that the flu was 600% as devastating as COVID.

The flu epidemic did not transform the nation, there is no reason COVID should.

Andy

[Diamondback]

As other have noted, the restaurant industry is decimated especially in places that have kept COVID restrictions in place longer than others like New York and California. Some places will never reopen. Larger chains are taking a hit.

Pizza Hut here is Delivery & Carryout Only until Phase 4, just for one typical example. Haven't heard any updates, but back in May a local restaurateur expected half his 13 properties to never reopen at all, including ones that had lost lease.

Airline travel will never be the same. The tourism industry as a whole can be taken out and buried after this year and it will take years to recover if some places ever can recover.

On the upside, this may bring back the family road-trip which will offer opportunities of its own; may encourage cheaper and less crowd-heavy leisure activities like hiking and camping.

Brick and mortar stores without an online option will fail even more. Big online retailers like Walmart and Amazon will thrive (drawing criticism from the left of course)

While their record sales ironically help pump more money than ever into the Left/Chicom Axis of Evil machine...

It's safe to predict that soon we'll see a neck-snapping turn from record LOW unemployment to record HIGH. If you have relatives who lived in the Great Depression, start brain-draining them about how they made it through NOW, because Depression 2.0 is coming...